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2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

WeAreNDHockey said:
Help me understand what appears to be a 180 degree change for you. Even 48 hours ago didn't you believe Biden stepping down was a terrible idea, and that is was being considered only to appease a misguided and misinformed donor class, and would basically be handing the election to trump? If I'm wrong I clearly missed something.

In fact it looks like a number of posters seem to feel Biden deciding not to run is the right thing, whereas days ago it seemed like very few here thought that Biden stepping aside was going to happen, or even should happen. What changed so many minds?
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Biden made the decision. That changes everything. It wasn't just Pelosi, Schumer, Clooney. It was his campaign presenting him with super bad poll numbers in Minnesota and New Mexico even that made him decide to step down.
 
BassAle said:
the nomination hasn’t actually happened yet. That’s at the convention.
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No I meant the Primaries are over...just couldn't think of a word to describe it. Superdelegates only matter during that phase. Once someone crosses the threshold needed to win the nomination or become the presumptive nominee there is no need for superdelegates.

Plus a lot of them have already endorsed Kamala anyways.
 
walrus said:
As he was being pushed out the door.
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Well, apparently for good reason. As I understand it, in addition to the polling data which was bad, is that independents were going to reward whichever party decided to ditch the old white man.

It was always Joe's decision. I would have made the same one if I were him. Trump would NEVER decide to step down under any circumstance. Hell, he's a convicted felon and he won't get out.
 
Handyman said:
No I meant the Primaries are over...just couldn't think of a word to describe it. Superdelegates only matter during that phase. Once someone crosses the threshold needed to win the nomination or become the presumptive nominee there is no need for superdelegates.

Plus a lot of them have already endorsed Kamala anyways.
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gotcha

I think the way it works after the superdelegate reform is the superdelegates can come into play if there isn’t a winner in the first round of voting at the convention, which in theory is now possible. I think the current rule is only pledged delegates vote in the first round at the convention but if no one wins a majority of the pledged delegates then the superdelegates will vote in subsequent rounds of voting. If Biden’s delegates coalesce around Harris then the superdelegates won’t matter.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I love that people are saying this was a coup or that Pelosi forced him out. Absolute nonsense. The way this came together and was executed was masterful.

whether they had the endorsements of all corners of the party laid out ahead of time without a leak OR they organized and made phone calls to the right people at the right time immediately after the announcement securing every single one of their endorsements.

He outmaneuvered Pelosi, the centrists, the pundits, and the donors. All of whom wanted an open convention.

No, this wasn't being pushed out. This was a brilliant strategy that could not have been executed better. The fight was over before it even started.
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There are some that say this has been in the works for a while...I personally don't think so smells of copium. He definitely cut a deal though sometime Saturday with at least some groups that still had his back to endorse Kamala right away to get the ball rolling. (and told no one, his staff didn't learn about it until Sunday Morning if I heard right...some found out on Twitter when he posted!) She had enough endorsements within the first couple hours to really stave off any sort of threat from the Old White Brigade. He put the machine into play quick so that if any of those clowns tried anything they would have the entire media attacking them for throwing out the Black Pacific Asian Lady VP who is positioned with endorsements. (and delegates pledging too because of some weird timing) The donor's especially weren't going to allow that...Hollywood types don't like being "Me Too-ed" ;) His last act as a nominee was to do her the biggest solid of all time.

For as much as this sucks because of how it all feels, the one nice thing about this is how now everyone is coming out of the woodwork to tell great stories about him and why people like him even when they should hate him. Hunter's statement about it him was friggin awesome but it was people in Washington telling stories of him that are really touching. Chris Murphy talking about how Biden went to Sandy Hook, was scheduled for an hour but stayed for 3 because he wanted to talk to all of the people there, many from out of town who he told his staff to encourage to show up. Personal letters he wrote to people when they lost loved ones they know...stuff like that. The media all of a sudden lionizing him is hollow because it is just opportunistic garbage, but real people doing it is touching. And even though the dude is scum, I would bet money if Lindsey Graham called him to wish him well he not only took the call but talked to him and called him friend. From all accounts that is just the type of guy he was. Hell if Nancy called I guarantee he held no grudge...still stinks though.

If this all works...his legacy will be remembered with the greats. Funny, 4 years ago I would have cut off my arm to make sure he didn't win (metaphorically) and now I am stuff like that.
 
BassAle said:
gotcha

I think the way it works after the superdelegate reform is the superdelegates can come into play if there isn’t a winner in the first round of voting at the convention, which in theory is now possible. I think the current rule is only pledged delegates vote in the first round at the convention but if no one wins a majority of the pledged delegates then the superdelegates will vote in subsequent rounds of voting. If Biden’s delegates coalesce around Harris then the superdelegates won’t matter.
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Oh cool...I meant to look into that last night but I was exhausted. Thanks for the info :)
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Well, apparently for good reason. As I understand it, in addition to the polling data which was bad, is that independents were going to reward whichever party decided to ditch the old white man.

It was always Joe's decision. I would have made the same one if I were him. Trump would NEVER decide to step down under any circumstance. Hell, he's a convicted felon and he won't get out.
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Sounds like Michigan was even worse. Gaza was killing him there. Harris is to the Left of him on Israel which should help a LOT.
 
I had a go-live at work last week and had a busy weekend gigging and rehearsing so I missed a lot.



Looks a quiet time, eh?
 
Anyway, I'm glad this happened. I'm glad things are coming together quickly. I hope this revitalizes the campaign. Beat Trump. Just beat Trump.


President Biden has been a stunningly good president and has done the selfless and honorable thing here. It couldn't have been easy for him, but he did it all the same.
 
One possible silver lining in all of this? With Joe's age no longer an issue will the media finally move onto?:

1) Reminding the country of Trump's disastrous 1st term
2) That he barely has a platform of any kind and
3) The platform he does have is Project 2025 and fu**ing over the lower-middle class
 
Slap Shot said:
One possible silver lining in all of this? With Joe's age no longer an issue will the media finally move onto?:

1) Reminding the country of Trump's disastrous 1st term
2) That he barely has a platform of any kind and
3) The platform he does have is Project 2025 and fu**ing over the lower-middle class
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4. His age
 
French Rage said:
Take what you will from these "my sister's cousin's best friend heard" stories, but https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/07/...-mistake.html:
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Tim Alberta has been embedded with Trump for quite a while...as much as he bugs me sometimes if he is hearing that then there is some legitimacy to it. Even before the convention Vance was not the guy most wanted Trump chose him for money, loyalty and because his sons convinced him.

The way they are freaking out (if you havent...watch Stephen Miller on Faux he is like a 2 yead old throwing a tantrum) backs Alberta up too.
 
Slap Shot said:
One possible silver lining in all of this? With Joe's age no longer an issue will the media finally move onto?:

1) Reminding the country of Trump's disastrous 1st term
2) That he barely has a platform of any kind and
3) The platform he does have is Project 2025 and fu**ing over the lower-middle class
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It's already starting. Trump is center stage and it is not where he wants to be.
 
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