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2024 Election Thread

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Handyman said:
Her Dem challenger doubled her up...
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Like I said it doesn't matter. Her donors are not Dems. The Right will finance her running as an Indy candidate to queer the election and throw it to the fasc.

The fact that she got any money at all from Dems is hilarious and stupid.
 
She didnt it is almost all corporate sponsors.

And if she runs as an Indy she wont have much impact. Even the Center doesn't much care for her. She is likely to steal as much from the Right as the Left. She would have had a shot as that candidate if she had any idea how to play the game which she doesn't. You don't cast yourself as the heel and think you can somehow appeal to moderates.
 
I guess I just don’t see how a former Democrat is as likely to draw votes from the right as she is from the left. The Drews and Hoveys of the world, the smarter (I know, I know), more adept “business class” folks, would vote for her instead of Gallego. That’s a loss for Democrats, not the Republicans. Hovey and Drew wouldn’t vote for a Kari Lake anyways. In a race that’ll likely be decided within 1% or less, it hurts Democrats more than Republicans. I really hope she doesn’t even run so we don’t have to find out.
 
Because if any Dems were going to vote for her she wouldnt be worried about this. Even the corporate Dems dont like her. She will get McCain Republican votes if she runs 3rd party.

You are pretending there are Democrats who support her. None do. Gallego is going to wipe the floor with her so unless you think the .05% of Dems that are RFK Jr. fans leaving is going to be the difference I am not sure how you dont understand. She burned bridges with every Left leaning group there is and Gallego will show her votes in every ad.

You and Kepler seem to think the Dems are stupid or blind. Its like you completely forgot how the Midterms went.
 
Handyman said:
You and Kepler seem to think the Dems are stupid or blind. Its like you completely forgot how the Midterms went.
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There are stupid Dem voters who will see her name and remember they voted for her last time. And that is the GOP strategy in propping her up as a fouling effect. Her motivation is either out of control ego or they simply bribed her.

I hope it doesn't work, and that McCain voters will use her as a way of protesting the cruelty of the GOP while not having to back a DEMONcrat. I hope so.
 
psych said:
I guess I just don’t see how a former Democrat is as likely to draw votes from the right as she is from the left.
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Well here's your problem, right here.

Sinema is no more "from the left" than Tulsi. These are grifters whose positions change to suit their con. Sinema ran a successful Quirky Hot Bi Librarian con to win the Dem nomination. For whatever reason in her faulty clockwork she abjured it -- though it would have been an endless license to print money -- for this silly John McCain Maverick! drag act, so the con now dictates that she consult a Magic 8 Ball before every vote, while demurely holding out her hand for every bribe that comes her way.

You know -- John McCain.

Nobody voting issues from either side will trust her, so like Dump her appeal will be strictly her Brand. But as with Dump we have seen that can be extremely powerful with the right kind of stupid voters.
 
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Kepler said:
Well here's your problem, right here.

Sinema is no more "from the left" than Tulsi. These are grifters whose positions change to suit their con. Sinema ran a successful Quirky Hot Bi Librarian con to win the Dem nomination. For whatever reason in her faulty clockwork she abjured it -- though it would have been an endless license to print money -- for this silly John McCain Maverick! drag act, so the con now dictates that she consult a Magic 8 Ball before every vote, while demurely holding out her hand for every bribe that comes her way.

You know -- John McCain.

Nobody voting issues from either side will trust her, so like Dump her appeal will be strictly her Brand. But as with Dump we have seen that can be extremely powerful with the right kind of stupid voters.
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Trump's grift is aimed at people too dumb to know it's a grift; Sinema's is aimed at people smart enough to know it's a grift (for the most part). You have to know your audience.
 
French Rage said:
Sinema's is aimed at people smart enough to know it's a grift (for the most part).
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Oh I don't think this is true. I think Sinema's con is aimed at Radical Centrist morons who think "both parties have some good ideas" or "the extremists have taken things too far on both sides." That kind of stupidity is pretty common.

There's nothing wrong with Sinema's con design. The fact that she repels the true Left and even true Liberals actually works in her favor, as mouth breather Independent and Third Way types will fall for it. The experiment is going to be whether that pulls more D than R in the general. The GOP is betting on that and also figures they have nothing to lose since in a fair election R is going to wither. R needs to shake it up. They will also try to play some sort of Youngkin card with trans black Dems threatening our precious bodily fluids or somesuch. Maybe they'll play hard on abortion and try to pull the Catholic Messicans.
 
Kepler said:
Well here's your problem, right here.

Sinema is no more "from the left" than Tulsi. These are grifters whose positions change to suit their con. Sinema ran a successful Quirky Hot Bi Librarian con to win the Dem nomination. For whatever reason in her faulty clockwork she abjured it -- though it would have been an endless license to print money -- for this silly John McCain Maverick! drag act, so the con now dictates that she consult a Magic 8 Ball before every vote, while demurely holding out her hand for every bribe that comes her way.

You know -- John McCain.

Nobody voting issues from either side will trust her, so like Dump her appeal will be strictly her Brand. But as with Dump we have seen that can be extremely powerful with the right kind of stupid voters.
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You put the em-phos-is on the wrong syl-ahble, sir. Read it again. I’m not saying Sinema is left. I’m saying I think she’s more likely to draw voters from the left than the right.
I hope she doesn’t run. But if she does, I hope Handy is right and I’m wrong. I love being wrong when it benefits Democrats.
 
psych said:
You put the em-phos-is on the wrong syl-ahble, sir. Read it again. I’m not saying Sinema is left. I’m saying I think she’s more likely to draw voters from the left than the right.
I hope she doesn’t run. But if she does, I hope Handy is right and I’m wrong. I love being wrong when it benefits Democrats.
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You're right.

I somehow read it as "she won't draw votes from the right as she is from the left."

I'm an idiot. Hardly a surprise.
 
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