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2024 Election Thread

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More and more, I think 9/11 was Bin Laden’s trap to set the US on a course to some sort of future ruination, not to specifically ruin our nation on that given day. January 6 is a symptom of that goal.

I think they knew we would f-ck ourselves overreacting, and if you look at it we must have wasted 20 trillion dollars by now responding to decades of attacks that cost, all told, at most 2 billion to finance. A 1,000,000% ROI. We played ourselves, and that was part of the calculation. We don't know yet whether it actually does cause us to shake apart and collapse.

But also they were cray, and they thought Allah would smite us, just like the GOP thinks Gawd gonna smite us for the queers. OBL was a brilliant strategist, but he was also as big a lunatic as our own delightful Christianists.
 
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More and more, I think 9/11 was Bin Laden’s trap to set the US on a course to some sort of future ruination, not to specifically ruin our nation on that given day. January 6 is a symptom of that goal.

I have heard some very smart pundits, many years ago, say just this. The theory goes that Bin Laden, who was an economics major when he came to the U.S. to study, understood what it would cost the U.S. to react. And thinking the long game, it would put the U.S. into tremendous debt "fighting terrorism." And all the subsequent economic issues which would arise from that.

In all honesty, I'm not completely sold that Bin Laden thought that long term. There was a lot of intelligence after the attacks that came from those close to Bin Laden that he never expected the attacks to be that successful. And thus, he expected the usual US. response -- lob a few missiles his way and then forget about it. So, this goes against any long range strategy he might have had in mind.
 
I vaguely recall a video that came out after 9/11 where OBL and other leaders couldn't believe the buildings collapsed. They had assumed it would just be the passengers and anyone they hit in the buildings.
 
Yeah I think some of you are giving Bin Laden way too much credit...

And no offense to Fanone, but pretending the Democrats aren't bleating on and educating the people about 1/6 is just full on crap. They talk about that more than they talk about anything.
 
Question is, is it landing? I'm not sure the Dems can really say very much more than they are. You can't come out and say "these people are rock stupid," because the very first rule of democracy is you have to pretend that "the simple people" are smart, and not squalid imbeciles. So instead you have to say "these leaders are evil and have misled their poor followers," and that's smug and patronizing. The Dumpies have not been misled. They have agency. They understand exactly what Dump means. They didn't just choose it, they chose it joyfully, because they are craven and toxic. When you kick open the rotted tree of the bottom class the bugs that crawl out aren't victims, they're wholly committed to their bugness.

Until somebody actually says, "it's not the leaders, it's the supporters, and we just have to out work and out vote them and then keep them from clawing out our eyes until they choke in the mess of their own self-inflicted corruption," we will not be facing the problem. It's not Dump or the GQP. It's the stupidest people in the country are trying to kill the rest of us because they, absolutely correctly, realize they are incapable of competing in a world of human flourishing. Their only salvation is reducing everyone to their level of ignorance, hatred, fear, and misery.

This is the true "class" war, where the two sides are those with and those without. It's the humans vs the beasts.
 
Joe Biden got shouted down in South Carolina today by some anti-war protesters. So proud of how he acted, and how he responded. So proud. Biden is man, and a human being.
 
Question is, is it landing? I'm not sure the Dems can really say very much more than they are. You can't come out and say "these people are rock stupid," because the very first rule of democracy is you have to pretend that "the simple people" are smart, and not squalid imbeciles. So instead you have to say "these leaders are evil and have misled their poor followers," and that's smug and patronizing. The Dumpies have not been misled. They have agency. They understand exactly what Dump means. They didn't just choose it, they chose it joyfully, because they are craven and toxic. When you kick open the rotted tree of the bottom class the bugs that crawl out aren't victims, they're wholly committed to their bugness.

Until somebody actually says, "it's not the leaders, it's the supporters, and we just have to out work and out vote them and then keep them from clawing out our eyes until they choke in the mess of their own self-inflicted corruption," we will not be facing the problem. It's not Dump or the GQP. It's the stupidest people in the country are trying to kill the rest of us because they, absolutely correctly, realize they are incapable of competing in a world of human flourishing. Their only salvation is reducing everyone to their level of ignorance, hatred, fear, and misery.

This is the true "class" war, where the two sides are those with and those without. It's the humans vs the beasts.

What does this have to do with what we are talking about? The Dems aren't pretending the 1/6 clowns were misled and that isn't what Fanone is whining about. (and if he is he is even more wrong) The only reason 90% of this country has heard of Jamie Raskin is because he has made ripping Trump and his voters into a cottage industry. And he isn't alone...

You know how we always say The Right lives in a weird bubble, I am starting to think some of you do too. All the Dems do is tout their vision and accomplishments and crap on Trump and the idiots who vote for him but to listen to some of you you would think the Dems are hiding in a cave never talking. Meanwhile I get 10 emails a day and 5 texts (all from various accounts...3 from Biden accounts alone!) and see it all over social media. Hell even apolitical people I know can recite most of it chapter and verse.
 
Joe Biden got shouted down in South Carolina today by some anti-war protesters. So proud of how he acted, and how he responded. So proud. Biden is man, and a human being.

That was a very cool moment as was his comparing 1/6 and the reframing of it to The Lost Cause after The Civil War.
 
Joe Biden got shouted down in South Carolina today by some anti-war protesters. So proud of how he acted, and how he responded. So proud. Biden is man, and a human being.

Biden ended the longest running us engagement in history and had effectively stopped using drone strikes. Sure tho, dude is a warmonger.
 
Biden ended the longest running us engagement in history and had effectively stopped using drone strikes. Sure tho, dude is a warmonger.

If Trixie were still here that is what he would be saying...

The best part of the clip is the people chanting "4 mire years" to drown out the protestor. I'm sure they will whine they were censored *rolleyes*
 
The best part of the clip is the people chanting "4 mire years" to drown out the protestor. I'm sure they will whine they were censored *rolleyes*

I don't have sympathy for that, but I do have sympathy for those that want a cease fire. Unfortunately the people in charge of the Palestinian people in that area decided to start a War. I don't get it. I will never get it. Biden's doing what he can.
 
I don't have sympathy for that, but I do have sympathy for those that want a cease fire. Unfortunately the people in charge of the Palestinian people in that area decided to start a War. I don't get it. I will never get it. Biden's doing what he can.

I agree...I want a ceasefire too...but I forget what killed the last ceasefire? (Protestors always seem to ignore that)
 
What does this have to do with what we are talking about?

Everything, because it is the heart of the problem.

I also, with you, laugh at the criticism of Biden. As always, the responsible people are bound by the rules while the terrorists can do whatever they want. That has been the Right's great advantage since 1994, if not 1978, when they adopted lying as their primary electioneering strategy, and their followers embraced "alternative facts."

I don't think Biden can do much more. My point is we, all of us, the people who will have to outvote the scum, have to bear in mind the panderers and Members and Dump itself are just mirrors -- the actual enemy is the third of the population who would kill us all for their prejudices, fears, envies, and superstitions.
 
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I agree...I want a ceasefire too...but I forget what killed the last ceasefire? (Protestors always seem to ignore that)

Nothing will change until the Israeli and Palestinian people figure out they are allies and Hamas and Likud are the enemy.
 
I don't have sympathy for that, but I do have sympathy for those that want a cease fire. Unfortunately the people in charge of the Palestinian people in that area decided to start a War. I don't get it. I will never get it. Biden's doing what he can.

No, he's not. He doesn't have to keep shipping Israel all the weapons they want.
 
Did they even bother to make up a reason?

I believe in an interview he said because he heard Biden was part of an Insurrection from the SOS in Texas because of the border. He also admits it is only because of what Maine and Colorado did. Its John Ashcroft's kid so...

This is why the performative theater in Colorado and Maine was stupid. First of all Trump was only held off the primary ballot (whereas Texas and Missouri want Biden off the Presidential Ballot) and second of all there is no chance The Supremes will uphold this anyways.
 
This is why the performative theater in Colorado and Maine was stupid.

No. It is never the wrong time to do the right thing.

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