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2015-2016 USCHO Posters Poll

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I promise, I'm not criticizing or trying to influence. What is everyone loving about Northeastern? Their win streak looks like it's against teams that everyone in the top 10 would go undefeated against. Am I missing something? I mean... I get putting them in the top 10, they are good. But why so high?
They are #5 in PWR and #6 in KRACH, which both take SOS into account. So it's not like most posters* here are way out of line or anything.

* except TTT, who's been singing their praises maybe a little too much. I think he may be overly worried about what might happen tomorrow night. ;)
 
They are #5 in PWR and #6 in KRACH, which both take SOS into account. So it's not like most posters* here are way out of line or anything.

* except TTT, who's been singing their praises maybe a little too much. I think he may be overly worried about what might happen tomorrow night. ;)
Hey if I'm right I look like a genius, and if I'm wrong we're holding the Beanpot! Haha

Seriously though, NU is beating bad teams but they are looking good doing it. They can only beat the teams they play.
 
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For this weeks poll, in honor of the passing away last week of Maurice White, here are references to Earth Wind & Fire songs.

1. BC - "Happy Feeling" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5UXwMNuq1A
2. Wisconsin - "Mighty, Mighty" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKljHXYTRy0
3. Minnesota - "Shining Star" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu9a29UR2dU
4. Quinnipaic - "You Are A Winner" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwkaPU4sV7M
5. Northeastern - "Celebrate" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy2LdXjquW8
6. Clarkson - "Gratitude" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nKTWkiWMHE
7. UND - "Let Your Feelings Show" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6sujzVhzDg
8. Bemidji - "Magic Mind" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nCEeTKw1hQ
9. Princeton - "Keep Your Head To The Sky" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpD4siBSUOE
10. Colgate - "Let Me Talk (I Stand Tall)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFV-VPeZFtQ
 
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I promise, I'm not criticizing or trying to influence. What is everyone loving about Northeastern? Their win streak looks like it's against teams that everyone in the top 10 would go undefeated against. Am I missing something? I mean... I get putting them in the top 10, they are good. But why so high?

Kendall Coyne

The teams above them have a player comparable to her on their team...the ones below do not. Since January 1st they are leading the NCAA in shooting at 12.16%, CU comes in second at 12.06%. One might say they have had a cupcake schedule in those games, but not too much different than BC who is at a 10.57% conversion rate. In short offense.
 
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I promise, I'm not criticizing or trying to influence. What is everyone loving about Northeastern? Their win streak looks like it's against teams that everyone in the top 10 would go undefeated against. Am I missing something? I mean... I get putting them in the top 10, they are good. But why so high?

I had BSU and UND ahead of them for a few weeks, but those teams are scoring challenged. NE is scoring against the little sisters of the Cordon Blue Pastry School, so that gives them a nice streak. Upon further review, they have not beat a ranked team all year, whereas BSU and UND have....now I have convinced myself that NE is indeed over-rated. I'll see what BC does to them this week, then adjust accordingly. NE has BC x 2 and BU 2 x, that will tell me a lot. I expect BSU and UND to win out. It would be awesome if NE won out as well.
 
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I had BSU and UND ahead of them for a few weeks, but those teams are scoring challenged. NE is scoring against the little sisters of the Cordon Blue Pastry School, so that gives them a nice streak. Upon further review, they have not beat a ranked team all year, whereas BSU and UND have....now I have convinced myself that NE is indeed over-rated. I'll see what BC does to them this week, then adjust accordingly. NE has BC x 2 and BU 2 x, that will tell me a lot. I expect BSU and UND to win out. It would be awesome if NE won out as well.

North Dakota has a couple nice wins, but has also tied or lost to everyone in the WCHA even the bottom team, which is ranked lower than start up Merrimack.

Bemidji's only ranked win is North Dakota and they split.

NE hasn't lost or tied since November.
 
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North Dakota has a couple nice wins, but has also tied or lost to everyone in the WCHA even the bottom team, which is ranked lower than start up Merrimack.

Bemidji's only ranked win is North Dakota and they split.

UND is troublesome. It is almost as if they only care to beat MN & WI, if they put as much effort into the rest of the league they would easily be 5 or 6 in the nation. Not sure what their problem is, though I have no respect for their coach I don't know if it is his fault. They played cleaner against MN than they have in since Idalski arrived and had a better game than any except the 3 OT one (in my very limited ability to judge such things). if they played like that always they would be better than 1-2-1 against BSU. I think if they played QU or BC they would give them fits IF they played like they do against MN or Wi. If they played like they did against SU it would be a blow out with UND on the loser end. I can't support them for an NCAA bid, BSU has at least beaten the teams it should have. 4-8 is arguable and some of that is an argument about how the team wants to play.
 
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I wasn't sure where to put this little tidbit, since everyone is talking about the Flickertails, I mean Fighting Sioux, woops, UND, no, I think they're called Fighting Hawks this week ... maybe their problem is they don't know who they are

late in Saturdays game the MN band got the Gopher faithful going "Let's Go Gophers!" to fire the team up, UND fans responded "Sioux! Sioux, Sioux!"
 
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North Dakota has a couple nice wins, but has also tied or lost to everyone in the WCHA even the bottom team, which is ranked lower than start up Merrimack.

Bemidji's only ranked win is North Dakota and they split.

NE hasn't lost or tied since November.

Timing doesn't matter in any system I"ve seen.

Bemidji
Record against top 4 program - 0-8
Record against other ranked program - 2-1-1
Blemishes against other program - Two ties

NE
Record against top 4 program - 0-2
Record against other ranked program - 0-1
Blemishes against other program - one loss, one tie

Maybe NE takes out BC. But if it doesn't... the answer is clear - don't play a top 4 team and some will reward you.
 
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Timing doesn't matter in any system I"ve seen.

Bemidji
Record against top 4 program - 0-8
Record against other ranked program - 2-1-1
Blemishes against other program - Two ties

NE
Record against top 4 program - 0-2
Record against other ranked program - 0-1
Blemishes against other program - one loss, one tie

Maybe NE takes out BC. But if it doesn't... the answer is clear - don't play a top 4 team and some will reward you.

My guess is just the opposite but someone can tell me if I am wrong.

BSU averages 2.03 goals per game (1.87 goals against). UND averages 2.13 (1.86 against). No blow outs for either team in conference or out of conference. To be in the top 10 with those margins is pretty amazing.

I suspect that losing to the Gophers and Badgers helps UND and BSU in the computer rankings because it raises their strength of schedule while the computers do not account for their poor scoring margins against weaker teams.

There is a small chance BSU could make get an at large birth averaging less than 2 goals per game. Maybe a couple 1 0 wins coming down the stretch can get it done.

NE (4.57 against 2.13) has beaten down a number of teams including some in the mid pairwise.
 
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NE (4.57 against 2.13) has beaten down a number of teams including some in the mid pairwise.

Unadjusted goals for and goals against still has the problem of comparing teams with different schedules. When looking at Northeastern vs. Bemidji State, we have teams that have lost all of their games against the big three, and that have both gone almost unbeaten against everyone else. Bemidji's stats reflect that they have played more than a quarter of its games against Minnesota and Wisconsin, while Northeastern has played less than 7% of its games against BC, though this will go up to just under 10% tonight ad to 12.5% this weekend.

What happens if we look at the numbers against all teams except BC, UW, and UM?

Northeastern's GF/GA goes from 137/64 (2.14 ratio) to 134/54 (2.48)
Bemidji's GF/GA goes from 61/56 (1.09) to 56/25 (2.24)

That's just a rough look, and there's no particular reason to assume that their SoS has been the same even if we exclude those games against the top three, but it does say that one shouldn't just use goal ratio to make a case without looking more closely. Northeastern wins by scoring goals, and Bemidji wins by preventing them, but there's some evidence that they are roughly similar in overall quality.

FWIW, the change for North Dakota isn't nearly as extreme, which should be expected, since they don't in any way fit the description of a team that has "lost all of their games against the big three, and that have . . . gone almost unbeaten against everyone else." Their GF/GA goes from 60/52 (1.15) to 51/37 (1.38).
 
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Unadjusted goals for and goals against still has the problem of comparing teams with different schedules. When looking at Northeastern vs. Bemidji State, we have teams that have lost all of their games against the big three, and that have both gone almost unbeaten against everyone else. Bemidji's stats reflect that they have played more than a quarter of its games against Minnesota and Wisconsin, while Northeastern has played less than 7% of its games against BC, though this will go up to just under 10% tonight ad to 12.5% this weekend.

What happens if we look at the numbers against all teams except BC, UW, and UM?

Northeastern's GF/GA goes from 137/64 (2.14 ratio) to 134/54 (2.48)
Bemidji's GF/GA goes from 61/56 (1.09) to 56/25 (2.24)

I don't get it. I'm still taking the team averaging 4.8 goals per game against the "not top three" versus the team averaging 2.5 goals per game against the "not top 3." When you look at the team save percentages, there is no way to make up the difference between the two teams on the defensive side (unless NE allows an extra 30 shots on goal per game or something strange like that).

In conference scoring, Bemidji noses ahead of last place Mankato by just four goals. Think about that.

Of course, anything can happen in a one game series but I'm taking NE as the much stronger team at this point.
 
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I don't get it. I'm still taking the team averaging 4.8 goals per game against the "not top three" versus the team averaging 2.5 goals per game against the "not top 3." When you look at the team save percentages, there is no way to make up the difference between the two teams on the defensive side (unless NE allows an extra 30 shots on goal per game or something strange like that).

In conference scoring, Bemidji noses ahead of last place Mankato by just four goals. Think about that.

Of course, anything can happen in a one game series but I'm taking NE as the much stronger team at this point.

You have to look at goals allowed as well as goals for. Northeastern scores almost twice as many goals per game against teams outside the top three as Bemidji, but they also allow almost twice as many. There isn't any evidence that Northeastern is a much stronger team than Bemidji is, unless you only look at the offense. You might just want to take the team that allows only 1.1 goals per game.
 
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You have to look at goals allowed as well as goals for. Northeastern scores almost twice as many goals per game against teams outside the top three as Bemidji, but they also allow almost twice as many. There isn't any evidence that Northeastern is a much stronger team than Bemidji is, unless you only look at the offense. You might just want to take the team that allows only 1.1 goals per game.

Great analysis.

You would guess that in a game between BSU and NE, Bemidji will likely score their 2.5 goals. Also likely is that Northeastern's 4.8 goals/game output would be reduced vs BSU's stingier defense. Just can't know by how much. But a 3-3 game at the end of regulation is one of the likely possibilities.

Sounds like a close game to me, and a close ranking. I give the edge to defense and WCHA, so my gut is to put Bemidji slightly above Northeastern based on all this information. My rankings have had NE in the 8-10 range, never higher. I think they deserve a step up to the 7 spot based on what I've learned here.

Big Three in the 1, 2, 3 slots
Q, Clarkson, BSU, NE in the 4-7 slots
ND, Princeton, Colgate rounds out the rest
 
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I don't get it. I'm still taking the team averaging 4.8 goals per game against the "not top three" versus the team averaging 2.5 goals per game against the "not top 3." When you look at the team save percentages, there is no way to make up the difference between the two teams on the defensive side (unless NE allows an extra 30 shots on goal per game or something strange like that).

In conference scoring, Bemidji noses ahead of last place Mankato by just four goals. Think about that.

Of course, anything can happen in a one game series but I'm taking NE as the much stronger team at this point.

After watching them tonight...definitely NOT the much stronger team.
 
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I forgot my laptop at work -- I have the polls recorded but can't compile until tomorrow around lunchtime. Lucky for Northeastern heheheheheeeee
 
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Northeastern might be better than UND and/or BSU, but when it comes to goaltending, give me the All-Americans.
 
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