2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey

[CrankIt]

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She already was, basically. Why not speak her mind now? I'm glad she did the interview and didn't tapdance and sugarcoat her way through it.

She's never been one to sugarcoat anything. I, too, am glad she said all the things she said. I am very disappointed in the "answers" given by AD Berlo. I would like to see more numbers from his side on just how much the department would save with this entire wipe out of a coaching staff. I still don't buy the financial reasons as being the only reason. Part of the reason? Sure. The entire reason? No.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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She already was, basically. Why not speak her mind now? I'm glad she did the interview and didn't tapdance and sugarcoat her way through it.

Oh I loved the interview, it was refreshing. But talking like that while still employed with them is... well, I'm not sure what it is, but it's something.

 

[ARM]

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Oh I loved the interview, it was refreshing. But talking like that while still employed with them is... well, I'm not sure what it is, but it's something.

Employed, but with no future. She didn't say anything that would be grounds for immediate dismissal, so if they have zero plans to bring her back, it's not like she burned any bridges.

 

[wwhyte]

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I would like to see more numbers from his side on just how much the department would save with this entire wipe out of a coaching staff. I still don't buy the financial reasons as being the only reason. Part of the reason? Sure. The entire reason? No.

Unless they drop the program, they aren't wiping out the coaching staff costs. They need to replace them. Hard to see them saving more than 50%.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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She didn't say anything that would be grounds for immediate dismissal

Well that was basically what I meant -- did she say anything that was grounds for dismissal?

 

[robertearle]

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News reports in 2011 had Johnson at around that 164K number prior to the Penn State job offer, and the contract extension he got to keep him in Madison.

I looked around a little more, and found a searchable database for all UW employees. It lists Johnson at $164K for the current year (and Eaves at $236K).

Maybe the discrepancy between these numbers and those quoted by the Sheboygan Press article I had found is pay from 'other sources' - outside media (radio shows, etc), or maybe some sort of differentiation between pay from 'the university' vs pay from 'the athletic department', etc etc.

(The database also has basketball coach Bo Ryan as making $400K in salary. Bo Ryan makes more than $400K.)

In other words, take any quoted salary number you might find with a grain or two of salt.

 

[Blackbeard]

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I am very disappointed in the "answers" given by AD Berlo. I would like to see more numbers from his side on just how much the department would save with this entire wipe out of a coaching staff. I still don't buy the financial reasons as being the only reason. Part of the reason? Sure. The entire reason? No.

Since Berlo referred to it so many times I wonder what he would have said if her salary wasn't at the top of the national scale but still where it is in terms of absolute dollars?

He weaseled out of the hard questions put to him by Matt Wellens near the end of the interview...good for Wellens for having the jam to ask them.

So, Berlo claims that he knows what he can't afford but doesn't know what he can afford...typical politician double speak. When in business, knowing one usually defines the other because one is a product of the other. The numbers that dictate what you can't afford also dictate what you can afford.

Like I said earlier, it makes no sense to not plumb the depths to the bottom by making an offer that you feel you can afford and letting your employee(s) say "no" if there is ultimately to be no agreement...that way there is no guess work involved because you have exhausted all the options no matter how unpleasant they may have been. Smells bad to me. A lack of critical thinking involved on Berlo's part it seems to me...or more to it than just the money.

 

[CrankIt]

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Well that was basically what I meant -- did she say anything that was grounds for dismissal?

In situations like this, the student athletes are generally instructed not to comment via social media or in the public and if they do happen to do media interviews, they're likely also told what they can and cannot say. Someone has to speak up for them. Someone has to voice some sort of disappointment. Some of these kids will be done playing competitive hockey in four months. They need a voice in this situation and I'm glad Coach Miller had the gall to speak her mind in this interview. She has nothing to really lose at this point.

 

[robertearle]

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(The database also has basketball coach Bo Ryan as making $400K in salary. Bo Ryan makes more than $400K.)

In other words, take any quoted salary number you might find with a grain or two of salt.

Then I dug up a similar searchable data base for the state of Minnesota. It shows Miller at $244K, Frost at $150K, Don Lucia at $454K.

And it shows Gopher basketball coach Richard Pitino at $500K. But one can also pretty easily find articles from when he was hired that say his salary is $1.2 million.

"Pitino's salary annual salary starts at $1.2 million. This is broken down into a base salary of $500,000, which will go up by at least five percent every year, and "supplemental compensation" of $700,000 per year, which will remain constant. What the hell is supplemental compensation?

This sum is in recognition of Coach’s efforts on behalf of the University for media, fundraising, community involvement, endorsements, and apparel, shoes, and equipment arrangements."

http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141

So, as I said, 'grain of salt'.

 

[D2D]

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...or more to it than just the money.

If it was just about the money (assume that he loved the job she was doing in all respects) you would certainly think a contract extension would have been offered. I strongly suspect that other factors were at play.

 

[CrankIt]

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What the hell is supplemental compensation?

Supplemental compensation is things like retirement pay and bonuses. Might include things like cars and houses. So in this example you gave, Pitino's salary is $500,000 but he also get $700,000 in bonuses and retirement and things like that. I believe at big D1 institutions coaches also get paid just for doing media interviews which could also factor into that $700k. Probably do at smaller schools as well but not nearly as much

 

[robertearle]

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Supplemental compensation is ...

(I wasn't asking; the article I was quoting from was using the question as a rhetorical device. They went ahead and answered their own question in the next paragraph.)

 

[ARM]

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I believe at big D1 institutions coaches also get paid just for doing media interviews which could also factor into that $700k.

I don't think that comes out of the university's pocket. For example, Jerry Kill has a weekly show with Mike Max on FSN. I'd assume that Fox is paying him for that, not the Gophers. The media interview are usually just part of the job, unless someone wants to do a more sizable project and they play a fee, such as a series of articles for a magazine.

 

[shelfit]

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Someone mentioned they thought Maria Lewis is available but she's not officially available:

http://providence.jwuathletics.com/sports/wice/2014-15/releases/Maria_Lewis_Hire_Release

Although I have to imagine she'd leave this new job in an instant for the job at UMD. Even if UMD decides to pay the next coach $90K a year that would double what Lewis was making as the head coach at Maine.

 

[ne7minder]

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If it was just about the money (assume that he loved the job she was doing in all respects) you would certainly think a contract extension would have been offered. I strongly suspect that other factors were at play.

Skuttle-butt around the rink said that Ms Miller was a 'rainmaker' and drew in big money to the school. That made her salary at least make sense. Now those were just rumors so they may never had been true but maybe the rain stopped?

 

[robertearle]

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I don't think that comes out of the university's pocket. For example, Jerry Kill has a weekly show with Mike Max on FSN. I'd assume that Fox is paying him for that, not the Gophers. The media interview are usually just part of the job, unless someone wants to do a more sizable project and they play a fee, such as a series of articles for a magazine.

But (basketball coach) Pitino's UM contract says specifically that the University is compensating him for "efforts on behalf of the University for media...". Yes, it is 'part of the job', and part of what the University compensates the coach for.

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To go at it one more time for Mark Johnson and the UW coaches, another searchable data base, from the Milwaukee Business Journal, that includes base salary and 'additional' pay: Johnson - $164K plus $66K additional, $231K total; Eaves $236K plus $72K additional, $308K total; Bo Ryan $421K plus $1.974 million additional plus $7K 'allowances', $2.4 million total.


http://www.bizjournals.com/milwauke...gary-anderson-are-highest-paid-uw-system.html

 

[Trillium]

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Holy freaking crap. That article is something.

I mean, could she be fired for doing an interview like that? Holy smokes.

I don't see anything whatsoever wrong with anything she said...other than perhaps the extreme hyperbole at the end about mens and women's salaries.

She couldn't be fired, unless she's lied about something (which I highly doubt; she's not that dumb). I doubt the university would consider firing her even if they could anyway....they'd have to pay out her contract, and spend even more money for another coach to finish out the season.

 

[pokechecker]

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I doubt the university would consider firing her even if they could anyway....they'd have to pay out her contract, and spend even more money for another coach to finish out the season.

you obviously are not familiar with the University of Minnesota

 

[brookyone]

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I don't see anything whatsoever wrong with anything she said...other than perhaps the extreme hyperbole at the end about mens and women's salaries.

It’s a program that should be a dynasty. We deserves the resources. We deserve the funding and the support to be a dynasty after all we’ve done and the success we’ve had.

Well, I'm not completely abiding with these sentiments, myself.

 

[Trillium]

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you obviously are not familiar with the University of Minnesota

No I don't know much about U of M at all. But if it really is all about saving money (though I doubt that's all it is), it just makes them look incompetent to have to incur an extra salary. Then again since she's understandably ****ed, it wouldn't be surprising if she tried to push their buttons to tempt them to do that.