Blackbeard
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Re: 2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey
Thanks...very interesting.
Thanks...very interesting.
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2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey
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Blackbeard
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Re: 2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey
Another thing. Regardless of my disappointment with the effort in three of the shootout attempts, kudos to the 'Dogs for showing that they can play with one of the best teams in the country...there wasn't much to choose from between them. Their defense is solid...it's actually better than their offense. And although I didn't think it was their best game, basically because of their lack of attack mode effort and coordination and support in the offensive zone, the colour commentator who I think was Madison Packer, claimed it was not UW's best effort either. The result was a very entertaining game by two skilled and closely matched teams with UW looking somewhat stronger because of their better puck control and possession time in the offensive zone.
Oh yeah, and for tomorrow's game...Don't Go Badgers!
http://www.umdbulldogs.com/news/2015/2/6/WHOCKEY_0206155318.aspx?path=whockey
Another thing. Regardless of my disappointment with the effort in three of the shootout attempts, kudos to the 'Dogs for showing that they can play with one of the best teams in the country...there wasn't much to choose from between them. Their defense is solid...it's actually better than their offense. And although I didn't think it was their best game, basically because of their lack of attack mode effort and coordination and support in the offensive zone, the colour commentator who I think was Madison Packer, claimed it was not UW's best effort either. The result was a very entertaining game by two skilled and closely matched teams with UW looking somewhat stronger because of their better puck control and possession time in the offensive zone.
Oh yeah, and for tomorrow's game...Don't Go Badgers!
http://www.umdbulldogs.com/news/2015/2/6/WHOCKEY_0206155318.aspx?path=whockey
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ARM
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Re: 2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey
I haven't heard that, and I'd be willing to be that the coaches haven't either. In the shootouts that have gone beyond three rounds, none of the WCHA coaches have sent out a repeat shooter, and I would think that the most likely choice would be someone they viewed as one of their top three at the start who also converted on the first attempt. More likely is that the announcers saw it happen in the Olympics and assumed that's the way it is in the women's WCHA as well. If one of your sources is Tom Hanson, he routinely says things like, "UMD is No. 7 in the USCHO Poll so if the season ended today, they'd made the NCAA Tournament."
Timothy A
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Re: 2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey
Both ref's were very quick to not allow that shooter to shoot again, and in watching Miller's interaction with them it seems to me she was trying to pull a fast one. I honestly can't imagine a coach not knowing the rules and if she thought she was right, she's not the type to just say ok, she'd have created a huge stink about it.
Does UMD have any new assistant coaches this year? I did not recognize either one.
I will say this....I have given Miller a lot of crap about per personal conduct behind the bench, but on a pure coaching level, her team made adjustments that bore fruit in the 3rd period. Blackbeard's analysis is spot on of the game, I would only add that UW's backchecking on rushes was not tight all game and UW is lucky not to have given up a couple easy goals.
Both ref's were very quick to not allow that shooter to shoot again, and in watching Miller's interaction with them it seems to me she was trying to pull a fast one. I honestly can't imagine a coach not knowing the rules and if she thought she was right, she's not the type to just say ok, she'd have created a huge stink about it.
Does UMD have any new assistant coaches this year? I did not recognize either one.
I will say this....I have given Miller a lot of crap about per personal conduct behind the bench, but on a pure coaching level, her team made adjustments that bore fruit in the 3rd period. Blackbeard's analysis is spot on of the game, I would only add that UW's backchecking on rushes was not tight all game and UW is lucky not to have given up a couple easy goals.
Just one is new. Gina Kingsbury- she stands on the end of the bench with the forwards. Won Gold with Canada at the 2010 Olympics
Blackbeard
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Re: 2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey
UMD 0 - UW 3 after one.
UMD has managed to implode in the first period. Several penalties both sides in a very short span of time each team getting a 5 on 3 but UW capitalized and the 'Dogs did not.
Deep early hole to try to dig themselves out of. They have to learn how to score consistently and with authority and instill some fear in their opposition.
3 goals in a very short period of time would appear to be a classic Black meltdown but although I just missed the first goal the last two she had no chance on.
UMD 0 - UW 3 after one.
UMD has managed to implode in the first period. Several penalties both sides in a very short span of time each team getting a 5 on 3 but UW capitalized and the 'Dogs did not.
Deep early hole to try to dig themselves out of. They have to learn how to score consistently and with authority and instill some fear in their opposition.
3 goals in a very short period of time would appear to be a classic Black meltdown but although I just missed the first goal the last two she had no chance on.
Blackbeard
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Re: 2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey
No goals added in the second.
Black pulled after the 1st period for Grapp...she's played well so far.
Lots of penalties tonight...stupid move by Hickel to take an unnecessary penalty when the 'Dogs were on the PP.
Dogs playing better but UW has more energy...witness a UW pk with a few minutes left in the period...they looked like they had the man advantage smothering UMD and stealing away all time and space...excellent job.
Still no concerted offense although Desbiens got away with one when early in the period one went through her 5 hole, hit her pad or skate and just missed the post on its way out.
Gotta score to get an energy boost. (Which I'm guessing is why Miller yanked Black unless she was concerned that a meltdown was looming).
Correction: Not Grapp in net...a third goalie who is not on the roster apparently from Finland is in net in her first D1 game action. Anyone know about her?
Got it: Evelina Suonpaa.
No goals added in the second.
Black pulled after the 1st period for Grapp...she's played well so far.
Lots of penalties tonight...stupid move by Hickel to take an unnecessary penalty when the 'Dogs were on the PP.
Dogs playing better but UW has more energy...witness a UW pk with a few minutes left in the period...they looked like they had the man advantage smothering UMD and stealing away all time and space...excellent job.
Still no concerted offense although Desbiens got away with one when early in the period one went through her 5 hole, hit her pad or skate and just missed the post on its way out.
Gotta score to get an energy boost. (Which I'm guessing is why Miller yanked Black unless she was concerned that a meltdown was looming).
Correction: Not Grapp in net...a third goalie who is not on the roster apparently from Finland is in net in her first D1 game action. Anyone know about her?
Got it: Evelina Suonpaa.
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Re: 2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey
Are the teams playing sloppy, mean or are the refs just nuts?
Blackbeard
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Re: 2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey
I think a couple stupid penalties on each side and a couple questionable calls. It all lead to a very different feel to tonight's game as compared to last night's.
I think a couple stupid penalties on each side and a couple questionable calls. It all lead to a very different feel to tonight's game as compared to last night's.
Refs are just nuts. Back in the first period the Bulldogs were called for three penalties in four minutes. That's when Wisconsin rattled off two 5 on 3 PP goals. I don't care who you are, no body can sustain a 5 on 3 PK for four minutes. That's just ridiculous
I will agree that there were stupid penalties especially after the frustration started to set in. Makes it nearly impossible to get into any sort of rhythm when there's constantly someone in the box
Blackbeard
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Re: 2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey
Blowout! UMD 0 - UW 5
Well deserved win by UW. Clearly the superior team tonight.
UMD didn't have the legs tonight and their offensive game is virtually non existent. (Might have been a different game if they hadn't imploded on the scoreboard in the first period...because the second period was close). If they don't correct this immediately they won't be ranked by the end of the month/season!
Suonpaa with a trial by fire in her first D1 action getting tossed in to start the second period. I thought she did well. Maybe she will challenge Black for the #1 spot?
Turnbull with a hat trick...her first apparently and on Senior Night. Nice way to end the ceremonial close out.
Blowout! UMD 0 - UW 5
Well deserved win by UW. Clearly the superior team tonight.
UMD didn't have the legs tonight and their offensive game is virtually non existent. (Might have been a different game if they hadn't imploded on the scoreboard in the first period...because the second period was close). If they don't correct this immediately they won't be ranked by the end of the month/season!
Suonpaa with a trial by fire in her first D1 action getting tossed in to start the second period. I thought she did well. Maybe she will challenge Black for the #1 spot?
Turnbull with a hat trick...her first apparently and on Senior Night. Nice way to end the ceremonial close out.
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Timothy A
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Re: 2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey
UmD gave UW's breakout fits in the 1st period. I was really concerned about that as being an issue for the rest of the game,, then UW gets the 3 ppgs. All the penalties killed the 5 on 5 flow, which IMO negated UMD's ability to bottle UW up. as they did for stretches in the 3rd yesterday and the 1st today. ARD also had some big saves in the first ot Sr night could have been a disaster. UMD is definitely one of the better teams I've seen this year.
UmD gave UW's breakout fits in the 1st period. I was really concerned about that as being an issue for the rest of the game,, then UW gets the 3 ppgs. All the penalties killed the 5 on 5 flow, which IMO negated UMD's ability to bottle UW up. as they did for stretches in the 3rd yesterday and the 1st today. ARD also had some big saves in the first ot Sr night could have been a disaster. UMD is definitely one of the better teams I've seen this year.
robertearle
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Re: 2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey
Were my eyes playing tricks on me, or did they call Gillanders for checking in the middle of the 2nd period WHILE she was skating with the puck?
Were my eyes playing tricks on me, or did they call Gillanders for checking in the middle of the 2nd period WHILE she was skating with the puck?
I think the call was Interference? Definitely not a penalty in either case. The Wisconsin player just skated in front of her and there was very minimal contact. A bigger player makes contact with a smaller player and the refs automatically call it a penalty
Timothy A
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Re: 2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey
I don't recall the play, there was a lot a crazy calls and noncalls tonight, the worst officiated game of the year in Madison.
I don't recall the play, there was a lot a crazy calls and noncalls tonight, the worst officiated game of the year in Madison.
robertearle
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Re: 2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey
Lots of overlapping penalties in that sequence; no, it wasn't 5 on 3 for four minutes.
Looking at the box score: UMD had a 5 on 3 advantage for 38 seconds, until a penalty took that down to 4 on 3, which UW killed off to make it 4 on 4. Then a UMD penalty made it 4 on 3 UW advantage. The second UW penalty then expired, and UW went to 5 on 3, and that would have also lasted 38 seconds, except UW converted for their 5 on 3 goal of the night. The goal made it again 5 on 4 advantage UW. Then another UMD penalty made it 5 on 3 again, for 40 seconds. One of the penalties expired two seconds before another UW goal, finally putting it back to 5 on 5. UMD with 5 on 3 advantage for 38 seconds, and UW with 5 on 3 advantage for 38 plus 40 seconds.
So technically, only one 5 on 3 goal, though practically two of them. Certainly not "5 on 3 PK for four minutes".
Lots of overlapping penalties in that sequence; no, it wasn't 5 on 3 for four minutes.
Looking at the box score: UMD had a 5 on 3 advantage for 38 seconds, until a penalty took that down to 4 on 3, which UW killed off to make it 4 on 4. Then a UMD penalty made it 4 on 3 UW advantage. The second UW penalty then expired, and UW went to 5 on 3, and that would have also lasted 38 seconds, except UW converted for their 5 on 3 goal of the night. The goal made it again 5 on 4 advantage UW. Then another UMD penalty made it 5 on 3 again, for 40 seconds. One of the penalties expired two seconds before another UW goal, finally putting it back to 5 on 5. UMD with 5 on 3 advantage for 38 seconds, and UW with 5 on 3 advantage for 38 plus 40 seconds.
So technically, only one 5 on 3 goal, though practically two of them. Certainly not "5 on 3 PK for four minutes".
Re: 2014-2015 University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs Womens Hockey
WAIT! are you saying they called the puck carrier for interference?!? I would love to see the video of that, a new level of silly. Its a shame that weird things like that happen when there are 2 good teams playing with intent.
As for size - our daughter was 5'10" and big through the shoulders, her high school hD partner was a 5'4" slip that liked to run people. I can't tell you the number of times partner would mash someone into the boards, the ref would blow the whistle & send our daughter (who was usually not even near the play at that moment to the box. But then one of the refs was nicknamed "drunken Duncan" because he smelled of booze.
WAIT! are you saying they called the puck carrier for interference?!? I would love to see the video of that, a new level of silly. Its a shame that weird things like that happen when there are 2 good teams playing with intent.
As for size - our daughter was 5'10" and big through the shoulders, her high school hD partner was a 5'4" slip that liked to run people. I can't tell you the number of times partner would mash someone into the boards, the ref would blow the whistle & send our daughter (who was usually not even near the play at that moment to the box. But then one of the refs was nicknamed "drunken Duncan" because he smelled of booze.
If I'm still remembering the call and events correctly, I believe it was a "loose" puck in which neither player had full control of the puck. I believe it was a pass intended for Gillanders in which she just used her body to gain the position and retrieve the pass. I definitely would not have called a penalty. The announcers, one of which happened to be former Badger Madison Packer, also did not agree with the call.
EDIT: one cool feature of a BTN subscription is the ability to watch replays of events. So, I went back and watched the play in question. My original post is relatively correct. Hickel lost control of the puck as she went to the net. Gillanders went to recover the puck and a Badger player just stood there without moving her feet at all or making an attempt at intercepting the pass and as Gillanders went to get the puck, there was shoulder to shoulder contact and the Badger went down. Some embellishment on the contact definitely. Still don't believe it should have been called a penalty
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OK, at least that is not as stupid. I try to give the refs some leeway as their view is very different down there in the think of things. But the last couple of years I have seen some awful stuff in the WCHA. I know they like to say they do not want to decide the game but they should understand that they are deciding the game if they chose not to call the game as ruled.
OK, at least that is not as stupid. I try to give the refs some leeway as their view is very different down there in the think of things. But the last couple of years I have seen some awful stuff in the WCHA. I know they like to say they do not want to decide the game but they should understand that they are deciding the game if they chose not to call the game as ruled.