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2014-15 College Football Part II: SEC vs World

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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Well, good thing that enabling a pederast rapist isn't going to interfere with PSU's culture of worshipping JoePa.

https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/556233181750235136

As small as it might seem, that's more than enough for me to hate the PSU hockey program about as much as all those irrational fans of nWCHA schools who thought PSU would make their schools drop hockey.
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go for it...

and as for the rest of it... the NCAA is an athletics sanctioning body under rules of amateurism. Joe Pa deserves those wins and they shouldn't have had them taken away. The evidence does not support the idea that Joe Paterno engaged in a cover-up.

edit: why don't we stop with the whole collective punishment idea... as if somehow the village is intrinsically responsible for covering for this guy. That's not true. Its a few craven people at the top who should have done better. They're looking at jail time.
 
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Patman said:
go for it...

and as for the rest of it... the NCAA is an athletics sanctioning body under rules of amateurism. Joe Pa deserves those wins and they shouldn't have had them taken away. The evidence does not support the idea that Joe Paterno engaged in a cover-up.

edit: why don't we stop with the whole collective punishment idea... as if somehow the village is intrinsically responsible for covering for this guy. That's not true. Its a few craven people at the top who should have done better. They're looking at jail time.
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As a voluntary member of the NCAA, PSU has to abide. The NCAA hit PSU where it hurt most: football. Then they backtracked like the incompetent morons they are. Most of the punishment is now taken back. Everyone valued sports over a child's well-being. Wonderful. And I loved LOVED JoePa, and to me, he's now JoePed. No way he didn't know about this in some way, shape or form. Turning your head makes you just as culpable.
 
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Patman said:
go for it...

and as for the rest of it... the NCAA is an athletics sanctioning body under rules of amateurism. Joe Pa deserves those wins and they shouldn't have had them taken away. The evidence does not support the idea that Joe Paterno engaged in a cover-up.

edit: why don't we stop with the whole collective punishment idea... as if somehow the village is intrinsically responsible for covering for this guy. That's not true. Its a few craven people at the top who should have done better. They're looking at jail time.
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He knew it was happening, and didn't do anything...he was complicit in the cover up. He could have stopped it. He didn't.

Those kids deserved not to be raped. He deserves nothing.
 
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I also was a huge PSU fan growing up inasmuch they were a team I had no affiliation with but would cheer for on a national basis. Patman couldn't have missed the boat on this one anymore had he tried.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I also was a huge PSU fan growing up inasmuch they were a team I had no affiliation with but would cheer for on a national basis. Patman couldn't have missed the boat on this one anymore had he tried.
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Related: I understand the argument that the football players deserve those wins; however, other schools with violations have had wins stricken, too. Them's the breaks.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Related: I understand the argument that the football players deserve those wins; however, other schools with violations have had wins stricken, too. Them's the breaks.
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Would they have had those wins if their DC was fired and charged early on? Possibly not. Saying that the players had nothing to do with it is like saying that other players don't deserve punishment who one of them engages in recruiting violations.
 
French Rage said:
Would they have had those wins if their DC was fired and charged early on? Possibly not. Saying that the players had nothing to do with it is like saying that other players don't deserve punishment who one of them engages in recruiting violations.
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I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
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That while the players personally didn't do anything wrong, they still possibly benefited from the presence of those who did. If the standard is that it's unfair to punish or take stuff away from those who didn't do anything wrong, no punishment would ever be meted out.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Vacated wins aren't a real punishment anyways. So I don't care much about that aspect of it. In this case it happened to be a very winning coach, but beyond that was pointless.

The players who played those games didn't deserve the loss of those games.

The real punishment would be financially and school reputation.
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The only good thing to come out of all of this is that the PSU scandal proves to everybody that no matter how slick you think you might be, you're not going to be able to cover up something like that up forever. Nobody at another school is going to want to stick their neck out like that to protect some sicko like sandusky ever again, because you'll never keep it covered up anymore. Hell, one tweet and the rumor starts and the jackals start digging into it.

Still, I would have liked the NCAA show that they actually have some balls and have told Happy Valley no, they can't have those wins back. Stick with a punishment, and hell, would it hurt to slap Miami of Florida around some more??
 
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I'm going to post once about this psu thing.

First, it's sad that a very loud group can undo a punishment like that, instead of just accepting it. I would be ok is psu never wins a game again, since so many of their fans put wins of a game over the welfare of people.

Which brings me to point two, which is a larger commentary of the sport society. It's dissapointing that entertainment holds such a high place in society that it's able to compromise parts of society so badly that crimes are so easily accepted. We've seen a lot of that, even this year with the nfl crap. It keeps happening and likely will never stop.
 
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alfablue said:
I'm going to post once about this psu thing.

First, it's sad that a very loud group can undo a punishment like that, instead of just accepting it. I would be ok is psu never wins a game again, since so many of their fans put wins of a game over the welfare of people.

Which brings me to point two, which is a larger commentary of the sport society. It's dissapointing that entertainment holds such a high place in society that it's able to compromise parts of society so badly that crimes are so easily accepted. We've seen a lot of that, even this year with the nfl crap. It keeps happening and likely will never stop.
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Exactly. I understand that no PSU fans had anything to do with the crimes going on, and that the revelation of it could be a shock to them, but they have to step back, take a look at the severity of what happened, and realize they are not the victims here. Oh wow, you have to put up with three (I think) years of sanctions, and live with a 6-6 team and no crappy bowl games for a few seasons; welcome to practically every season for, say, Wazzou fans. Oh wow, you had a bunch of wins vacated, like anyone ever cares if a win was vacated or not. Yes, you truly suffered so very much here. And if the NCAA does remove the sanctions and restore the wins, thank them quietly and move on. Don't have huge-*** demonstrations on campus. Don't put wise-*** stickers on your helmets and uniforms. You are not god****ed Nelson Mandela being freed from 30 years in prison here, react with class and with respect of the horribleness of what went on at your school for an entire decade. Frankly, as bad as the initial crime was, I would have had no issue with the PSU fanbase at large if they had accepted the punishment with class and not made themselves out to be the victims. But continual crap like this makes it hard not to have a negative view of everyone associated with the school. (And while I understand these people may not represent every fan, when the other teams put stuff on their helmets or uniforms, that has to go through higher channels, so whoever makes those final decisions needs to think of how they are making the institution at large look.)
 
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