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2013, '14, '15 Frozen Four Sites

Re: 2013, '14, '15 Frozen Four Sites

bigblue_dl said:
I know that San Antonio has been tossed around in this thread. What arena in San Antonio could host this? Is there one big enough? Does the Alamodome have ice-making capabilities? If the arena situation is good there, I wouldn't mind that trip as a non-traditional frozen 4.

edit: you answered my question in your edit :p
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The Alamodome might not be a terribly venue with an end-ice configuration., the sightlines were actually great for basketball when I was there. Problem is, the local support wouldn't be what it is in Detroit to fill up the seats. But San Antonio is a GREAT city to visit and is great destination for a Final or Frozen Four.
 
Re: 2013, '14, '15 Frozen Four Sites

What ever happened to the long-dormant proposal that the NCAA consider a rotation schedule among four permanent Frozen Four sites, such as:
• Boston's TD Garden
• Milwaukee's Bradley Center
• St. Paul's Xcel Energy Center
• Denver's Pepsi Center
and stop moving all over the map from year to year?
More than likely, these four cities would be high on any fan's list of choice destinations and each offers an NHL arena seating capacity necessary to accommodate the customary demand for FF tickets.
 
Re: 2013, '14, '15 Frozen Four Sites

bruno said:
What ever happened to the long-dormant proposal that the NCAA consider a rotation schedule among four permanent Frozen Four sites, such as:
• Boston's TD Garden
• Milwaukee's Bradley Center
• St. Paul's Xcel Energy Center
• Denver's Pepsi Center
and stop moving all over the map from year to year?
More than likely, these four cities would be high on any fan's list of choice destinations and each offers an NHL arena seating capacity necessary to accommodate the customary demand for FF tickets.
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I approve. But I'd include DC. That seemed to be a VERY popular locale.
 
Re: 2013, '14, '15 Frozen Four Sites

ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I approve. But I'd include DC. That seemed to be a VERY popular locale.
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DC is not in an area where college hockey is popular, unlike Denver, Boston, St. Paul and Wisconsin. It should not be in any rotation, IMO.

I don't like the idea of a solid rotation, anyway (even if all those sites are great). I like how they do it now - certain cities get repeat bids, and once in awhile, they pick someplace new.

And then we all complain about the new place and how much it sucked. :)
 
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A set rotation is a bad idea. Remember what happened in Boston - they did a poor job hosting and thought they were a shoo-in for another bid. The NCAA thought otherwise. And with non-traditional places like DC doing a great job of hosting, that's Boston's loss.
 
Re: 2013, '14, '15 Frozen Four Sites

bruno said:
What ever happened to the long-dormant proposal that the NCAA consider a rotation schedule among four permanent Frozen Four sites, such as:
• Boston's TD Garden
• Milwaukee's Bradley Center
• St. Paul's Xcel Energy Center
• Denver's Pepsi Center
and stop moving all over the map from year to year?
More than likely, these four cities would be high on any fan's list of choice destinations and each offers an NHL arena seating capacity necessary to accommodate the customary demand for FF tickets.
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Well, for one thing, the TD Garden didn't seem particularly interested in hosting. In the last go-round they didn't put in a bid deemed worthy of an award. And that's despite the fact that you have to believe that the NCAA would want to put a FF in Boston.

Frankly, I don't see what's so bad about moving all over the map from year to year. I kind of like visiting somewhere different each year.
 
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The Wells Fargo Arena is a fantastic arena, easy to get to, with not much of anything around it.

... in other words, a "cookie cutter rink, next to a nondescript river, in a not-too decent part of town," like most every other hockey arena. :D

Qwest Center seats an extra 1k. Another FF option?
 
Re: 2013, '14, '15 Frozen Four Sites

aparch said:
The Wells Fargo Arena is a fantastic arena, easy to get to, with not much of anything around it.

... in other words, a "cookie cutter rink, next to a nondescript river, in a not-too decent part of town," like most every other hockey arena. :D

Qwest Center seats an extra 1k. Another FF option?
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No, 16K+ isn't enough. Even Boston's 17,565 is pushing the low end. The arena reall should be 18K+.

A rotation would be a horrible idea, cities would get old and people would want to stop going back to the same places all the time. I've seen some basketball fans complain about being in Indaianapolis again this year for the Final Four, even with a new venue, as they've used it 3 times this decade. DC absolutely should be a regular bidder for this, the arena is great, the city is incredibly easy to get to, there are a bazillion things to do, and it's a great sports town. It doesn't matter if there isn't a team nearby, so to speak, it's a great choice, and the event went off fantastically last April. In fact, Princeton is ~180 miles from DC, there's only one team that's closer to Milwaukee than that distance, and Milwaukee is Milwaukee. Whopee, Miller. Plus that facility is 20+ years old. You're living in 1990 if you think DC is a bad choice for a FF. Nonetheless, CHICAGO, DAMMIT.
 
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slurpees said:
DC absolutely should be a regular bidder for this, the arena is great, the city is incredibly easy to get to, there are a bazillion things to do, and it's a great sports town. It doesn't matter if there isn't a team nearby, so to speak, it's a great choice, and the event went off fantastically last April. In fact, Princeton is ~180 miles from DC, there's only one team that's closer to Milwaukee than that distance, and Milwaukee is Milwaukee. Whopee, Miller. Plus that facility is 20+ years old. You're living in 1990 if you think DC is a bad choice for a FF. Nonetheless, CHICAGO, DAMMIT.
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A bad choice for one FF? Nah, it was fine. Had a good time. Nice arena, and of course, the city is great. Have been on vacation there many times.

But in a solid rotation with other cities that have multiple FF successes, where the area is actually aware that college hockey exists? Different situation.

There's lots to do in NYC too, but that doesn't make it a great FF site in everyone's mind. But everyone wants something different, I guess. Some people want a family-friendly vacation spot. Some people want a walkable area with places to hang out with other fans and perhaps enjoy a few adult beverages.

I like the suggestion of Houston, though. Why not try it once?
 
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Re: 2013, '14, '15 Frozen Four Sites

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_indoor_arenas_in_the_United_States
Halfway down there is a sortable list of arenas. Sorted by the estimated hockey/arena football option, 17k+ arenas are:

Code: 
Rupp Arena 			Lexington 	Kentucky 	21,300	UK Basketball - Has ice making capabilities
Greensboro Coliseum 		Greensboro 	North Carolina 	21,273	Vacant
Scottrade Center 		St. Louis 	Missouri 	21,000	NHL Blues
The Palace of Auburn Hills 	Auburn Hills 	Michigan 	20,804	NBA Pistons
Joe Louis Arena 		Detroit 	Michigan 	20,058	NHL Red Wings
St. Pete Times Forum	 	Tampa 		Florida 	19,758	NHL Lightning
United Center 			Chicago 	Illinois 	19,717	NHL 'Hawks / NBA Bulls
Wachovia Center 		Philadelphia 	Pennsylvania 	19,519	NHL Flyers / NBA 76'ers
Quicken Loans Arena 		Cleveland 	Ohio 		19,282	AHL Lake Erie Monsters / NBA Cavaliers
BankAtlantic Center 		Sunrise 	Florida 	19,250	NHL Panthers
Izod Center 			E.Rutherford 	New Jersey 	19,040	NBA Nets
RBC Center 			Raleigh 	North Carolina 	18,763	NHL Hurricanes
Nationwide Arena	 	Columbus 	Ohio 		18,700	NHL Blue Jackets
Verizon Center 			Washington 	D.C.	 	18,672	NHL Capitals / NBA Wizzards
HSBC Arena 			Buffalo 	New York 	18,595	NHL Sabers
Philips Arena 			Atlanta 	Georgia 	18,545	NHL Thrashers / NBA Hawks
American Airlines Center 	Dallas 		Texas	 	18,532	NHL Stars / NBA Mavericks
Consol Energy Center		Pittsburgh 	Pennsylvania 	18,500	NHL Penguins
Rose Garden 			Portland 	Oregon 		18,280	NBA Trailblazers WHL Winterhawks
Madison Square Garden 		New York City 	New York 	18,200	NHL Rangers / NBA Knicks
Staples Center 			Los Angeles 	California 	18,118	NBA Lakers / Clippers
Xcel Energy Center 		St. Paul 	Minnesota 	18,064	NHL Wild
Ford Center 			Oklahoma City 	Oklahoma 	18,036	NBA Thunder
Pepsi Center 			Denver 		Colorado 	18,007	NHL Avalanche / NBA Nuggets
Toyota Center		 	Houston 	Texas 		17,800	AHL Aeros / NBA Rockets
Bradley Center 			Milwaukee 	Wisconsin 	17,800	AHL Admirals / NBA Bucks
Jobing.com Arena 		Glendale 	Arizona 	17,653	NHL 'Yotes
Kemper Arena 			Kansas City 	Missouri 	17,647	Vacant
Prudential Center 		Newark 		New Jersey 	17,615	NHL Devils
TD Banknorth Garden 		Boston 		Massachusetts 	17,565	NHL Bruins
Mellon Arena 			Pittsburgh 	Pennsylvania 	17,537	NHL Penguins
Sommet Center 			Nashville 	Tennessee 	17,523	NHL Predators
Target Center 			Minneapolis 	Minnesota 	17,500	NBA Timberwolves
Value City Arena 		Columbus 	Ohio 		17,500	CCHA tOSU Buckeyes
HP Pavilion at San Jose 	San Jose 	California 	17,496	NHL Sharks
Wachovia Spectrum 		Philadelphia 	Pennsylvania 	17,380	Soon to be demolished	
ARCO Arena 			Sacramento 	California 	17,317	NBA Kings	
Oracle Arena 			Oakland 	California 	17,268	NBA Golden State Warriors	
Amway Center		 	Orlando 	Florida 	17,200	NBA Magic	
Honda Center 			Anaheim 	California 	17,174	NHL Ducks	
Sprint Center 			Kansas City 	Missouri 	17,104	Vacant	
BOK Center 			Tulsa 		Oklahoma 	17,096	CHL Oilers	
Freedom Hall			Louisville 	Kentucky 	17,062	Louisville Basketball
 
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aparch said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_indoor_arenas_in_the_United_States
Halfway down there is a sortable list of arenas. Sorted by the estimated hockey/arena football option, 17k+ arenas are:

Code: 
Rupp Arena 			Lexington 	Kentucky 	21,300	UK Basketball - Has ice making capabilities
Greensboro Coliseum 		Greensboro 	North Carolina 	21,273	Vacant
Scottrade Center 		St. Louis 	Missouri 	21,000	NHL Blues
The Palace of Auburn Hills 	Auburn Hills 	Michigan 	20,804	NBA Pistons
Joe Louis Arena 		Detroit 	Michigan 	20,058	NHL Red Wings
St. Pete Times Forum	 	Tampa 		Florida 	19,758	NHL Lightning
United Center 			Chicago 	Illinois 	19,717	NHL 'Hawks / NBA Bulls
Wachovia Center 		Philadelphia 	Pennsylvania 	19,519	NHL Flyers / NBA 76'ers
Quicken Loans Arena 		Cleveland 	Ohio 		19,282	AHL Lake Erie Monsters / NBA Cavaliers
BankAtlantic Center 		Sunrise 	Florida 	19,250	NHL Panthers
Izod Center 			E.Rutherford 	New Jersey 	19,040	NBA Nets
RBC Center 			Raleigh 	North Carolina 	18,763	NHL Hurricanes
Nationwide Arena	 	Columbus 	Ohio 		18,700	NHL Blue Jackets
Verizon Center 			Washington 	D.C.	 	18,672	NHL Capitals / NBA Wizzards
HSBC Arena 			Buffalo 	New York 	18,595	NHL Sabers
Philips Arena 			Atlanta 	Georgia 	18,545	NHL Thrashers / NBA Hawks
American Airlines Center 	Dallas 		Texas	 	18,532	NHL Stars / NBA Mavericks
Consol Energy Center		Pittsburgh 	Pennsylvania 	18,500	NHL Penguins
Rose Garden 			Portland 	Oregon 		18,280	NBA Trailblazers WHL Winterhawks
Madison Square Garden 		New York City 	New York 	18,200	NHL Rangers / NBA Knicks
Staples Center 			Los Angeles 	California 	18,118	NBA Lakers / Clippers
Xcel Energy Center 		St. Paul 	Minnesota 	18,064	NHL Wild
Ford Center 			Oklahoma City 	Oklahoma 	18,036	NBA Thunder
Pepsi Center 			Denver 		Colorado 	18,007	NHL Avalanche / NBA Nuggets
Toyota Center		 	Houston 	Texas 		17,800	AHL Aeros / NBA Rockets
Bradley Center 			Milwaukee 	Wisconsin 	17,800	AHL Admirals / NBA Bucks
Jobing.com Arena 		Glendale 	Arizona 	17,653	NHL 'Yotes
Kemper Arena 			Kansas City 	Missouri 	17,647	Vacant
Prudential Center 		Newark 		New Jersey 	17,615	NHL Devils
TD Banknorth Garden 		Boston 		Massachusetts 	17,565	NHL Bruins
Mellon Arena 			Pittsburgh 	Pennsylvania 	17,537	NHL Penguins
Sommet Center 			Nashville 	Tennessee 	17,523	NHL Predators
Target Center 			Minneapolis 	Minnesota 	17,500	NBA Timberwolves
Value City Arena 		Columbus 	Ohio 		17,500	CCHA tOSU Buckeyes
HP Pavilion at San Jose 	San Jose 	California 	17,496	NHL Sharks
Wachovia Spectrum 		Philadelphia 	Pennsylvania 	17,380	Soon to be demolished	
ARCO Arena 			Sacramento 	California 	17,317	NBA Kings	
Oracle Arena 			Oakland 	California 	17,268	NBA Golden State Warriors	
Amway Center		 	Orlando 	Florida 	17,200	NBA Magic	
Honda Center 			Anaheim 	California 	17,174	NHL Ducks	
Sprint Center 			Kansas City 	Missouri 	17,104	Vacant	
BOK Center 			Tulsa 		Oklahoma 	17,096	CHL Oilers	
Freedom Hall			Louisville 	Kentucky 	17,062	Louisville Basketball
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Kansas City has 2 17,000+ capacity arenas that are vacant. Sucks to be them.

In other news, I vote for Lexington, Kentucky. Have you seen those posters!!!!!!
 
Re: 2013, '14, '15 Frozen Four Sites

aparch said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_indoor_arenas_in_the_United_States
Halfway down there is a sortable list of arenas. Sorted by the estimated hockey/arena football option, 17k+ arenas are:

Code: 
Rupp Arena 			Lexington 	Kentucky 	21,300	UK Basketball - Has ice making capabilities
Greensboro Coliseum 		Greensboro 	North Carolina 	21,273	Vacant
Scottrade Center 		St. Louis 	Missouri 	21,000	NHL Blues
The Palace of Auburn Hills 	Auburn Hills 	Michigan 	20,804	NBA Pistons
Joe Louis Arena 		Detroit 	Michigan 	20,058	NHL Red Wings
St. Pete Times Forum	 	Tampa 		Florida 	19,758	NHL Lightning
United Center 			Chicago 	Illinois 	19,717	NHL 'Hawks / NBA Bulls
Wachovia Center 		Philadelphia 	Pennsylvania 	19,519	NHL Flyers / NBA 76'ers
Quicken Loans Arena 		Cleveland 	Ohio 		19,282	AHL Lake Erie Monsters / NBA Cavaliers
BankAtlantic Center 		Sunrise 	Florida 	19,250	NHL Panthers
Izod Center 			E.Rutherford 	New Jersey 	19,040	NBA Nets
RBC Center 			Raleigh 	North Carolina 	18,763	NHL Hurricanes
Nationwide Arena	 	Columbus 	Ohio 		18,700	NHL Blue Jackets
Verizon Center 			Washington 	D.C.	 	18,672	NHL Capitals / NBA Wizzards
HSBC Arena 			Buffalo 	New York 	18,595	NHL Sabers
Philips Arena 			Atlanta 	Georgia 	18,545	NHL Thrashers / NBA Hawks
American Airlines Center 	Dallas 		Texas	 	18,532	NHL Stars / NBA Mavericks
Consol Energy Center		Pittsburgh 	Pennsylvania 	18,500	NHL Penguins
Rose Garden 			Portland 	Oregon 		18,280	NBA Trailblazers WHL Winterhawks
Madison Square Garden 		New York City 	New York 	18,200	NHL Rangers / NBA Knicks
Staples Center 			Los Angeles 	California 	18,118	NBA Lakers / Clippers
Xcel Energy Center 		St. Paul 	Minnesota 	18,064	NHL Wild
Ford Center 			Oklahoma City 	Oklahoma 	18,036	NBA Thunder
Pepsi Center 			Denver 		Colorado 	18,007	NHL Avalanche / NBA Nuggets
Toyota Center		 	Houston 	Texas 		17,800	AHL Aeros / NBA Rockets
Bradley Center 			Milwaukee 	Wisconsin 	17,800	AHL Admirals / NBA Bucks
Jobing.com Arena 		Glendale 	Arizona 	17,653	NHL 'Yotes
Kemper Arena 			Kansas City 	Missouri 	17,647	Vacant
Prudential Center 		Newark 		New Jersey 	17,615	NHL Devils
TD Banknorth Garden 		Boston 		Massachusetts 	17,565	NHL Bruins
Mellon Arena 			Pittsburgh 	Pennsylvania 	17,537	NHL Penguins
Sommet Center 			Nashville 	Tennessee 	17,523	NHL Predators
Target Center 			Minneapolis 	Minnesota 	17,500	NBA Timberwolves
Value City Arena 		Columbus 	Ohio 		17,500	CCHA tOSU Buckeyes
HP Pavilion at San Jose 	San Jose 	California 	17,496	NHL Sharks
Wachovia Spectrum 		Philadelphia 	Pennsylvania 	17,380	Soon to be demolished	
ARCO Arena 			Sacramento 	California 	17,317	NBA Kings	
Oracle Arena 			Oakland 	California 	17,268	NBA Golden State Warriors	
Amway Center		 	Orlando 	Florida 	17,200	NBA Magic	
Honda Center 			Anaheim 	California 	17,174	NHL Ducks	
Sprint Center 			Kansas City 	Missouri 	17,104	Vacant	
BOK Center 			Tulsa 		Oklahoma 	17,096	CHL Oilers	
Freedom Hall			Louisville 	Kentucky 	17,062	Louisville Basketball
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I wouldn't trust the list. It lists the United Center of having a capacity of over 19k but the Blackhawks in 2008 averaged over 22K each game. Also MSGs capacity is going to change with the new renovations about to take place.
 
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CHFAN222 said:
I wouldn't trust the list. It lists the United Center of having a capacity of over 19k but the Blackhawks in 2008 averaged over 22K each game. Also MSGs capacity is going to change with the new renovations about to take place.
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the UC sells standing room tickets for 'hawks games -- they have 19.7k seats, and sell nearly 2k standing room seats.

There are a lot of suspect numbers in there though -- including squeakyball capacities. For example, Scottrade center seats just over 19k for hockey, but over 22k for foulball.

r
 
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I just figured it was a decent starting list of possible arenas/locations for Frozen Fours. Not reading too much into the accuracy of the seat count, just using it as a starting point.
 
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