2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

[Almington]

Responsible for a balanced budget? Leaves social/personal issues out of Gov't? I'm heavily Dem, but I'd vote for that party every election. Twice if I'm still near Chicago.

That's because the parties have become divided on morality, social spending, and tax rate issues. Neither party have any real intention of actually balancing the budget regardless of what they say.

 

[mookie1995]

Unfortunately, that could end up being true.

The GOP needs someone who can step up and lead the purge. Christie? After what he did with Obama during the hurricane, if he once and for all tells the Teabaggers to go pound sand and leads the crusade he'll gain mucho brownie points with the people and can set himself up nicely for a 2016 run.

Best case here is it splinters the party and let's the social freaks go one way and the fiscal freaks go another.

More options are usually better than less. And the name recognition in each "new" party will insure availability in media/ballots/whatnot. If both got serious and the dems played along all those stupid rules about ballot access would go away and candidates could then speak freely about what they want to do instead of trying to couch and be everything to 51% of the folks

 

[Priceless]

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So, let me get this straight...286 Electoral Votes is a mandate...332 electoral votes is a razor-thin margin? I love Republican Math!

Some talking head just argued that what the GOP needs is another GWB because he was such a moderate. And last night another pundit proclaimed Mitt Romney was a typical northeast liberal. Do people actually believe this stuff?

After hearing Mitt speak last night, I think he may fall into a category with Bob Dole. If he had run as himself he would have done better than he did by listening to the "experts" around him. Dole was a warm, funny guy but ran as Grumpy Old Man and got his electoral clock cleaned. He might not have beaten Bill Clinton but it would have been closer. The problem for Mitt was that he couldn't win the GOP primary and pull off the monumental pivot to the center that was required for the general election. Had he been himself and not lied as much (Jeep is moving to China?) he may very well be the president-elect this morning. Then again, he may have had to drop out halfway through the primaries...

 

[bigblue_dl]

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I was about to say that I'm in your state, and I'm a conservative; and my two "No" votes helped defeat those constitutional amendments (those amendments were about as far away from conservative as you can get; substantively, philosophically, even procedurally) -- so you got some re-thinking to do, my friend. But later you added:



So never mind. You must've meant something else.

I voted NO for the gay marriage one, because I don't think the government should be going there. I voted YES for voter ID because I think it is common sense that we should be able know that the person is actually who they claim to be when they're voting. That doesn't seem like a social issue to me, it is common sense.

 

[joecct]

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So, let me get this straight...286 Electoral Votes is a mandate...332 electoral votes is a razor-thin margin? I love Republican Math!

Some talking head just argued that what the GOP needs is another GWB because he was such a moderate. And last night another pundit proclaimed Mitt Romney was a typical northeast liberal. Do people actually believe this stuff?

After hearing Mitt speak last night, I think he may fall into a category with Bob Dole. If he had run as himself he would have done better than he did by listening to the "experts" around him. Dole was a warm, funny guy but ran as Grumpy Old Man and got his electoral clock cleaned. He might not have beaten Bill Clinton but it would have been closer. The problem for Mitt was that he couldn't win the GOP primary and pull off the monumental pivot to the center that was required for the general election. Had he been himself and not lied as much (Jeep is moving to China?) he may very well be the president-elect this morning.

The GOP got their butts kicked - fair and square. Such are politics.

Nice article in the Deseret News on the BHO v Catholics -- http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...ught-to-the-fore-by-2012-election.html?pg=all

The Dems ran into the same problem when they had to run to the left to get the nomination and had to return to the center for the election. Nothing new here - when you get a large field, you get these things.

Bob Dole was the sacrificial lamb in the 1996 election. IF he had made Slick's amoral behavior more of an issue, then he may have stood a chance (the guy can't keep a promise to his wife, what makes you think he'll keep a promise to you). However, the economy was doing well and the Executive and Legislative Branches were working together. Nothing else mattered.

Jeep is building a plant in China - they're also keeping the one in the USA.

 

[Rover]

So, let me get this straight...286 Electoral Votes is a mandate...332 electoral votes is a razor-thin margin? I love Republican Math!

Some talking head just argued that what the GOP needs is another GWB because he was such a moderate. And last night another pundit proclaimed Mitt Romney was a typical northeast liberal. Do people actually believe this stuff?

After hearing Mitt speak last night, I think he may fall into a category with Bob Dole. If he had run as himself he would have done better than he did by listening to the "experts" around him. Dole was a warm, funny guy but ran as Grumpy Old Man and got his electoral clock cleaned. He might not have beaten Bill Clinton but it would have been closer. The problem for Mitt was that he couldn't win the GOP primary and pull off the monumental pivot to the center that was required for the general election. Had he been himself and not lied as much (Jeep is moving to China?) he may very well be the president-elect this morning. Then again, he may have had to drop out halfway through the primaries...

You gotta learn to think like a knuckledragger! Bush losing popular vote and eeking out electoral college victory - Reaffirmation of Conservative Principles!!!! Obama winning over 50% of vote and 330+ electoral votes twice = A razor thin victory in a center-right country.

And they wonder why I make fun of them...

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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So, let me get this straight...286 Electoral Votes is a mandate...332 electoral votes is a razor-thin margin?

My definition of a mandate is that the party has control of all three stations: House, Senate, and Presidency. The GOP still maintains control of the House. Therefore, it is not a mandate.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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You gotta learn to think like a knuckledragger! Bush losing popular vote and eeking out electoral college victory - Reaffirmation of Conservative Principles!!!! Obama winning over 50% of vote and 330+ electoral votes twice = A razor thin victory in a center-right country.

And they wonder why I make fun of them...

I think "razor tight" was the term everyone was using.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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You gotta learn to think like a knuckledragger! Bush losing popular vote and eeking out electoral college victory - Reaffirmation of Conservative Principles!!!! Obama winning over 50% of vote and 330+ electoral votes twice = A razor thin victory in a center-right country.

And they wonder why I make fun of them...

Was watching Faux this morning hoping to point and snicker, but it's just like you said. They've already created a narrative for what happened and as is usual, it's not based upon any reality that people outside of the bubble would recognize.

 

[mookie1995]

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286 is not a mandate.

Just because someone was a complete *** before you, don't follow them into that hole (even that hole now is you )

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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In that regard, this election was the best possible thing that could have happened to the Republican Party. This election was first and foremost an unquestionable rejection of the Tea Party. Multiple high profile Tea Party candidates who had primaried out a moderate Republican lost - to the Democrats. The RINOs now have a concrete reason to grab the Tea Party by the neck, rub their nose in the dog poop, say "See what happened? THAT'S YOUR FAULT," toss them to the curb, and re-tool as a socially moderate fiscal discipline party.

Republicans can now actually compromise and get things done without having to fear being labeled RINOs and getting primaried. The name Tea Party is now a laughingstock.

Eh, it's not quite that simple. Go visit Freerepublic today and you'll see a staunch divide. There are moderate Republicans who think Romney lost because he was old, boring, and stiff (John Kerry ring a bell?), and they are already calling for Rubio 2016. Then there are the TEA Partiers/Theocons, who think Romney lost because he was was a libtard .

Or just visit Freerepublic for entertainment value. It's been quite the doomsday shitshow since about 10 o'clock last night.

 

[Craig P.]

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Responsible for a balanced budget?

A balanced budget every year is a really bad idea, because it blows away the possibility of doing countercyclical spending, the value of which should have been reinforced by the Great Recession and the object lessons of the failed austerity plans in Europe.

I would like to see something in the nature of balancing the budget in a ten year window, or something like that, where it's long enough to cover deficits during down periods and surpluses during up periods.

 

[leswp1]

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The electoral college may have been a landslide but the popular vote was not (unless something changed since the last time I looked). To me a mandate is when the popular vote has a huge gap. Electoral college stuff is semantices. When you need to pass things the general public needs to be on board.

 

[FreshFish]

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I voted YES for voter ID because I think it is common sense that we should be able know that the person is actually who they claim to be when they're voting. That doesn't seem like a social issue to me, it is common sense.

Funny, everyone at our polling place in CT had to show ID before they could vote, and I don't recall any protests about it at all.

I guess if Democrats pass voter ID law it is sensible??

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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The electoral college may have been a landslide but the popular vote was not (unless something changed since the last time I looked). To me a mandate is when the popular vote has a huge gap. Electoral college stuff is semantices. When you need to pass things the general public needs to be on board.

IMO, "Mandate" should be at least a 10 pt. spread, and control of all three houses. This is not a mandate. This was America spreading it's cheeks wide and taking the smaller of two dicks.

I'll be amazed if "The One" leaves office with unemployment under 6.5%.

 

[jmh]

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In that regard, this election was the best possible thing that could have happened to the Republican Party. This election was first and foremost an unquestionable rejection of the Tea Party. Multiple high profile Tea Party candidates who had primaried out a moderate Republican lost - to the Democrats. The RINOs now have a concrete reason to grab the Tea Party by the neck, rub their nose in the dog poop, say "See what happened? THAT'S YOUR FAULT," toss them to the curb, and re-tool as a socially moderate fiscal discipline party.

Republicans can now actually compromise and get things done without having to fear being labeled RINOs and getting primaried. The name Tea Party is now a laughingstock.

This reminds me of one of the stranger narratives I saw over the past couple of weeks - people were labeling Chris Christie a RINO because he had the stones to praise Obama's handling of the hurricane the week before the Presidential election. Do those people even have a clue what his policies have been as governor?

 

[Priceless]

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I also like all the Republicans who congratulated my imaginary partner and me because marriage equality passed in Maine. Just a lesson for the crowd: Just because you support marriage equality does not mean you are gay...just that you believe in marriage equality.

 

[MaizeRage]

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I voted NO for the gay marriage one, because I don't think the government should be going there. I voted YES for voter ID because I think it is common sense that we should be able know that the person is actually who they claim to be when they're voting. That doesn't seem like a social issue to me, it is common sense.

Voter ID failed because it was an expensive solution to a problem that didn't exist. The fact that it was a Republican initiative highlights the difference between Republican and conservative.

 

[joecct]

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This reminds me of one of the stranger narratives I saw over the past couple of weeks - people were labeling Chris Christie a RINO because he had the stones to praise Obama's handling of the hurricane the week before the Presidential election. Do those people even have a clue what his policies have been as governor?

The story I heard was that Christie and Bloomberg were told "be nice and you'll get disaster money quicker." Well - if you're first responsibility is to your constituents, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Christie may have killed any chance to get the GOP 2016 nomination. OK, he's good for NJ (would you rather have Corzine??) and, while blunt, seems to be honest.

 

[Priceless]

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The story I heard was that Christie and Bloomberg were told "be nice and you'll get disaster money quicker." Well - if you're first responsibility is to your constituents, you gotta do what you gotta do.

So the only reason they were showed leadership qualities for which they have been praised is because they were blackmailed?

ETA: Oh, and let me add...those are two states that voted overwhelmingly for the president and he's gong to throw them under the bus? You have a great view of politics...