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2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

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So the only reason they were showed leadership qualities for which they have been praised is because they were blackmailed?

ETA: Oh, and let me add...those are two states that voted overwhelmingly for the president and he's gong to throw them under the bus? You have a great view of politics...
The money was coming, it just got there quicker than the usual federal bureaucracy is capable.

Both Bloomberg and Christie showed leadership before and after the Prez did his visit. Even if the President did not make a visit, the NE was going blue no matter what. But Christie said nothing but nice things about somebody running against his party's nominee. If the $$ story is correct, I don't blame him.
 
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The story I heard was that Christie and Bloomberg were told "be nice and you'll get disaster money quicker." Well - if you're first responsibility is to your constituents, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Gee, where did you hear that? :rolleyes:

Doesn't that fail the smell test by just a bit?

If Obama had done that to him in that moment, do your really believe that Christie would have just taken it? No way. He'd have been shouting to the mountain tops about the attempted blackmail.

Do you really believe that the Obama administration would attempt that right before the election?

Not saying there weren't political motivations. Christie positioned himself nicely for 2016... by appearing to be reasonable and by showing true leadership.

He got my attention and I will be giving him a closer look in the future. Of course, that's only coz he's a libstain RINO.
 
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The money was coming, it just got there quicker than the usual federal bureaucracy is capable.

Both Bloomberg and Christie showed leadership before and after the Prez did his visit. Even if the President did not make a visit, the NE was going blue no matter what. But Christie said nothing but nice things about somebody running against his party's nominee. If the $$ story is correct, I don't blame him.

And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
 
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This reminds me of one of the stranger narratives I saw over the past couple of weeks - people were labeling Chris Christie a RINO because he had the stones to praise Obama's handling of the hurricane the week before the Presidential election. Do those people even have a clue what his policies have been as governor?
Nope. Some people just blindly vote for the name/party.


Also explains how Jesse Jackson Jr. was re-elected with 63% of the vote in his district even though he hasn't campaigned in months.
 
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Voter ID failed because it was an expensive solution to a problem that didn't exist. The fact that it was a Republican initiative highlights the difference between Republican and conservative.
That doesn't change the fact that it is common sense to require a picture ID to vote. Common Sense.
 
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throwing a bit of humor into the discussion
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Nope. Some people just blindly vote for the name/party.

This is very true. My wife's grandmother has pretty significant Alzheimer's. Needless to say, she has no clue what is going on right now, but is functional enough to get to the polls and cast a ballot. My wife's mother went with her, and after explaining the situation was able to help her cast her ballot. When asked who she wanted to vote for, in every single race, she said "Ohhh, I forget his name...he's the Democrat"...even if the Democrat was a female or if there were no Democrat running for that particular office. It is what it is. I generally know enough about the candidates that I'm voting for to make an educated decision, but I would be lying if I said that I didn't vote based on party affiliation when I didn't know enough about the candidates.
 
The electoral college may have been a landslide but the popular vote was not (unless something changed since the last time I looked). To me a mandate is when the popular vote has a huge gap. Electoral college stuff is semantices. When you need to pass things the general public needs to be on board.

That's not how the system is set up les. Victory = majority of electoral college votes. If Victory = popular vote campaigns would be maximizing that instead. How much time did Obama spend in California vs New Hampshire? I'm guessing more in NH because CA was already in the bag in the only contest that counts. Now if you changed the rules and winning the national vote was the deciding factor Obama would have spent more time churning out the vote in his core states, which for the most part are larger than GOP ones, hence the potential for the landslide popular vote margins you speak of.
 
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That doesn't change the fact that it is common sense to require a picture ID to vote. Common Sense.

Large scale voter fraud is a myth. Also, a lot of otherwise eligible voters don't have photo ID. Requiring Photo ID to vote isn't "common sense"-- it actually doesn't make any sense at all given there is no real problem to fix and implementing it would disenfranchise many people.
 
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Here's another polling place story. A fellow I work with serves as an election judge. He's done it for a number of years and kind of gets a kick out of it. He said there has never been an election that he's worked where there hasn't been at least 3 ballots rejected because the voter voted for no one. Not a single race. Not a single dot filled in. Just take the ballot, walk over to the booth, apparently pretend to fill it in, stick it in the machine, rejected.

His theory, which to me seems most plausible, is these voters are embarrassed illiterates. Too embarrassed to tell anyone they can't read the ballot, yet want people to think they're voting.

This year they had an additional ballot rejected because the voter voted for 6 different candidates for president. I'm gonna guess this person wasn't real strong on the standardized tests in school.
 
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Voter ID failed because it was an expensive solution to a problem that didn't exist. The fact that it was a Republican initiative highlights the difference between Republican and conservative.

The last election for senate was settled by a very small margin. I think it was about 200 votes. Are you telling me that none of those were fraudulant? This is obviously a problem and this ammendment in MN was worded so broadly that I have no idea how people were reading in all these costs.
 
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Funny, everyone at our polling place in CT had to show ID before they could vote, and I don't recall any protests about it at all.

I guess if Democrats pass voter ID law it is sensible?? :confused:
I think voter ID is sensible but I think if it is required then you shouldn't have to pay for it. (Cue up all the wailing). what would be wrong with having to show proof and being issued a voter card by the gov't that did not cost cash? Both sides win. You try to prevent fraud and you wipe the objection of cost.
 
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That doesn't change the fact that it is common sense to require a picture ID to vote. Common Sense.

Do you want to pay to furnish everyone a photo ID and for the administrative staff needed to run such a program? Otherwise it is a de facto poll tax and isn't going to stand up to any legal challenge. Minnesota has enough fiscal issues without spending an estimated $100 million a year to solve a non-problem.
 
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Large scale voter fraud is a myth. Also, a lot of otherwise eligible voters don't have photo ID. Requiring Photo ID to vote isn't "common sense"-- it actually doesn't make any sense at all given there is no real problem to fix and implementing it would disenfranchise many people.
How the hell do people not have photo ID's? You can get an ID card for FREE in Minnesota, terrible argument. Common Sense.
 
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Large scale voter fraud is a myth. Also, a lot of otherwise eligible voters don't have photo ID. Requiring Photo ID to vote isn't "common sense"-- it actually doesn't make any sense at all given there is no real problem to fix and implementing it would disenfranchise many people.

How would it disenfranchise people? You need id to rent a carpet shampoo machine, so why not voting? Any legal citizen has the ability to get an id for free. so what's the problem?

It doesn't have to be large scale. As I mentioned in a previous post MN has had an election decided by a very small number of votes. Didn't take much to swing that race. Better safe than sorry and make sure it is all done right. That way no one has a right to complain about the results.
 
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That's not how the system is set up les. Victory = majority of electoral college votes. If Victory = popular vote campaigns would be maximizing that instead. How much time did Obama spend in California vs New Hampshire? I'm guessing more in NH because CA was already in the bag in the only contest that counts. Now if you changed the rules and winning the national vote was the deciding factor Obama would have spent more time churning out the vote in his core states, which for the most part are larger than GOP ones, hence the potential for the landslide popular vote margins you speak of.
That's one way of looking at it. I think it's always more interesting to think of it this way, given the electoral system we use.

Say there are about 120 million votes cast. Give me 100,000 of those voters, wherever I choose, and let me change their votes. Can I change the outcome of this election? I bet it would be pretty close, say switching 25,000-30,000 in Florida, another 50,000 or so in Ohio.

This election is not unique in that regard. It can really be a small number of people who, if they had gone the other way, would have completely swung the outcome.
 
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Do you want to pay to furnish everyone a photo ID and for the administrative staff needed to run such a program? Otherwise it is a de facto poll tax and isn't going to stand up to any legal challenge. Minnesota has enough fiscal issues without spending an estimated $100 million a year to solve a non-problem.

Where is this dollar figure coming from? All these people that don't have id already have the right to get one for free. So what's the issie? Plus it would take the existing poll workers and extra 10 seconds to ask for an id and actually look at it. I don't see an issue.
 
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Honest question: How many people that are of legal voting age do not have photo ID's? I don't think I've ever met one.

Any cost to supply the free ID's to the VERY few that don't have them was greatly exaggerated in those estimates. They sound more like numbers pulled out of thin air to use in scare tactic political ads.
 
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I also like all the Republicans who congratulated my imaginary partner and me because marriage equality passed in Maine. Just a lesson for the crowd: Just because you support marriage equality does not mean you are gay...just that you believe in marriage equality.

That's why I voted "No" -- I thought it'd get me one of them gay husbands. These dishes aren't going to wash themselves, you know.
 
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How the hell do people not have photo ID's? You can get an ID card for FREE in Minnesota, terrible argument. Common Sense.

What's easy for many isn't so easy for others. Many of the people for whom its hard to get an ID don't have access to a valid birth certificate. The problem disproportionately affects the elderly and naturalized citizens.
 
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