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2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

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mookie1995 said:
All these folks then can't drive. Don't have credit cards. Don't have any type of bank account.
Don't you need ID to go set up welfare? How do you cash your welfare check? Social security check?
Again, you can't open a bank account without an ID

If you don't and take your checks (any, all) to Walmart or western union to cash, don't ThEY require ID confirmation??

So now how many people are we talking about now?

I would think in this day and age having some form of ID is a given.
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My guess is they found a way to do these things, just not legally. Otherwise they would have an ID.
 
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My cousin has no photo id. WHy should she. She is 80, has banked in the same place, done business in the same place and voted in the same place her whole life. I think that Voter ID is a good idea, I just think you need to be realistic and not dismiss it is possible not to need ID esp if you are established in a place for a long time. Some of the suits that have been brough are by the elderly who would have a lot of hardship to prove they were legitimate after voting in the same place for decades.

Hell, I can't remember the last time I needed an ID at the bank and they don't even know me.
 
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I will stand by my statement that requiring ID is common sense. If it comes up again I will vote for it every time.
 
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Now I remember why I stopped posting here.
 
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Almington said:
Do you want to pay to furnish everyone a photo ID and for the administrative staff needed to run such a program? Otherwise it is a de facto poll tax and isn't going to stand up to any legal challenge. Minnesota has enough fiscal issues without spending an estimated $100 million a year to solve a non-problem.
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The Supreme Court has held that a voter ID law (at least in one form) is not an unconstitutional poll tax.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawford_v._Marion_County_Election_Board
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Eh, it's not quite that simple. Go visit Freerepublic today and you'll see a staunch divide. There are moderate Republicans who think Romney lost because he was old, boring, and stiff (John Kerry ring a bell?), and they are already calling for Rubio 2016. Then there are the TEA Partiers/Theocons, who think Romney lost because he was was a libtard :p.

Or just visit Freerepublic for entertainment value. It's been quite the doomsday shitshow since about 10 o'clock last night. ;)
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So they are saying if he was less boring and stiff he would have won Philadelphia, Cleveland, Columbus etc.?

I think they said Ohio came down to 5 counties...If he supported gay marriage he wouldn't have won those counties. If he was far less liberal, he wouldn't have won those counties.

As has been said on here several times, the first step is to get out of denial and recognize the problem.
 
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mookie1995 said:
You had a headache, right? :p

Les, if you don't show an ID when you withdraw money, don't cry when you show up one day and your account is empty.
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Wells Fargo asks me for my ID everytime I make any transaction. I get ID'd when I use a credit card also. If you don't have an ID right now, you should have one.
 
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Tiggsy said:
But the thing I don't get is why there is so much resistance. Why is it so much to ask to prove you are a legal citizen with the right to vote before doing so? I just don't get it.
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Maybe it's one of those "dog whistle" things? you and I can't hear it because we're not canines??

I don't get that "dog whistle" metaphor either. Aren't the only people who can hear dog whistles, well, dogs? yet the people complaining about "dog whistles" are supposedly saying that other people, NOT themselves, are the ones hearing the whistle? that whole analogy just breaks down entirely.


We had this whole debate several months ago, and I found plenty of documented cases of voter fraud. the problem is that, while it is easy to demonstrate that fraud has occurred, it is next to impossible to demonstrate who committed the fraud.

Consequently, one fringe element says you cannot "prove" voter fraud since you cannot finger a specific perpetrator; while anyone with a brain can clearly see that when total votes cast > total number of registered voters, something untoward must be occurring.

By the way, every recent voter ID law that was passed was upheld by the courts, for the next election. The only reason given to stay the law for this election was that the laws were passed too close to the election for people to have enough time to comply. Again, a reasonable compromise among reasonable people.

Given that the courts, from SCOTUS to State Supreme Courts and other Courts, have all upheld all the recent laws, that's good enough for me.
 
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If rover comes on here and says he just checked with the guys in risk and client service at his work and tells me they don't ID old people or poor folks when they come into a branch and take out money if gonna go on a priceless vacation!

"Mookie, you Neanderthal!, ID checks on those groups would be racists or ageism! Go back to you cave!" :p
 
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Priceless and Bob Gray are very similar in their ability to wear the crown of thorns for their respective ideologies so well. ;)
 
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I just had a thought when it comes to Voter ID... what if McLovin wants to vote?
 
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mookie1995 said:
You had a headache, right? :p

Les, if you don't show an ID when you withdraw money, don't cry when you show up one day and your account is empty.
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I didn't say it was right, just that is what happens. I pull out my checkbook and that is all they care about.

Again, not saying I am against the ID thing, just not the norm everywhere to need ID, esp small places. Cripes my cousin worked at the bank she goes to about 60 yrs ago. Everyone knows her there! She has a social hour when she banks. No one would even think to ID her. SHe would be offended if they did!
 
leswp1 said:
I didn't say it was right, just that is what happens. I pull out my checkbook and that is all they care about.

Again, not saying I am against the ID thing, just not the norm everywhere to need ID, esp small places. Cripes my cousin worked at the bank she goes to about 60 yrs ago. Everyone knows her there! She has a social hour when she banks. No one would even think to ID her. SHe would be offended if they did!
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I hope she interviews all new employees and the older tellers NEVER go on vacation.

We are told all the time, this isn't the 1950s les!! :D
 
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leswp1 said:
I didn't say it was right, just that is what happens. I pull out my checkbook and that is all they care about.

Again, not saying I am against the ID thing, just not the norm everywhere to need ID, esp small places. Cripes my cousin worked at the bank she goes to about 60 yrs ago. Everyone knows her there! She has a social hour when she banks. No one would even think to ID her. SHe would be offended if they did!
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umm... what's the name of that bank again? Not that I want to open an account there. Want to know just because.

The only time you ever should not be asked for an Id at a bank is with a deposit only.
 
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Tiggsy said:
umm... what's the name of that bank again? Not that I want to open an account there. Want to know just because.

The only time you ever should not be asked for an Id at a bank is with a deposit only.
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People still go into banks for things? The ATM and the computer never ask to see my ID :)
 
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