True, its all anecdotal. So in Ohio they polled so called early voters, in other places you can track by party who's requested ballots, etc. Early voting is a relatively new phenomenon on a large scale that I think people are still struggling with how to interpret it.
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2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown
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True, its all anecdotal. So in Ohio they polled so called early voters, in other places you can track by party who's requested ballots, etc. Early voting is a relatively new phenomenon on a large scale that I think people are still struggling with how to interpret it.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Isn't this the First Law of Political Science? Or is it the Second Law, with the First being "Never get caught in bed with a dead girl, or a live boy."
Isn't this the First Law of Political Science? Or is it the Second Law, with the First being "Never get caught in bed with a dead girl, or a live boy."
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Extreme left wing commie Geraldo:
Geraldo Rivera slammed the politicization of the attack in Benghazi, firing off a series of tweets while hunkered down at home in Edgewater, N.J., during Hurricane Sandy. Rivera, the Fox News contributor and "Geraldo at Large" host, criticized the controversy being pushed by some conservatives.
It's "clear no C130 gunships were available," Rivera tweeted. "Criticize coverup [but] saying White House watched [and] did nothing to help is a lie."
Rivera called the "GOP bloodlust" surrounding the Obama administration's handling of Libya "insincere," "desperate" and reminiscent of the political firestorm surrounding the "Fast and Furious" gun-walking scandal that rocked the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in 2011.
The "real" question regarding Benghazi, Rivera tweeted, is this: "Did Obama spin to retain Bin Laden killer mystique?"
To suggest the four U.S. consulate workers killed in Benghazi "could have been saved," Rivera added, is a "cruel myth."
"Life is not an action movie," he tweeted.
As Mediaite pointed out, Rivera did not mention Fox News—which has aired much of the "GOP bloodlust" over Benghazi—in his criticism of the criticism.
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Extreme left wing commie Geraldo:
Geraldo Rivera slammed the politicization of the attack in Benghazi, firing off a series of tweets while hunkered down at home in Edgewater, N.J., during Hurricane Sandy. Rivera, the Fox News contributor and "Geraldo at Large" host, criticized the controversy being pushed by some conservatives.
It's "clear no C130 gunships were available," Rivera tweeted. "Criticize coverup [but] saying White House watched [and] did nothing to help is a lie."
Rivera called the "GOP bloodlust" surrounding the Obama administration's handling of Libya "insincere," "desperate" and reminiscent of the political firestorm surrounding the "Fast and Furious" gun-walking scandal that rocked the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in 2011.
The "real" question regarding Benghazi, Rivera tweeted, is this: "Did Obama spin to retain Bin Laden killer mystique?"
To suggest the four U.S. consulate workers killed in Benghazi "could have been saved," Rivera added, is a "cruel myth."
"Life is not an action movie," he tweeted.
As Mediaite pointed out, Rivera did not mention Fox News—which has aired much of the "GOP bloodlust" over Benghazi—in his criticism of the criticism.
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"Originally Posted by Old Pio
It's always a good idea to check your ballot before you submit it. Just like with punchcards, there was always a sign right on the voting booth that suggested you make certain all the "chips" are punched through.
While it's possible machine malfunctions in Nevada (or anywhere else) are the result of chicanery, my first instinct is to blame ordinary screwups (Occam's Razor). While I guess it may be possible to rig an electronic machine to register phony votes, I'm not convinced that it would be possible to "fix" enough machines so as to significantly undercount one candidate and overcount another, all in the same election.
Thousands of machines would be needed. And the "fixer" would need to know which rigged machines were going to which precinct. If you were "fixing" the election for Obama,you wouldn't want to send an "overcount" machine to a Romney precinct. Or an "undercount" machine to an Obama precinct. Such a scheme would require an enormous number of people and machines. I'm not saying it's impossible. Just not as easy as some suggest."
In states that use paperless touchscreen voting machines statewide (ie. Maryland & Georgia) it is very easy to rig a state for a national or statewide candidate. All it takes is a programmer from the voting machine company to insert a few lines of code that flips, say, every 10th vote from candidate A to candidate B. The programmer can also specify that the program not be activated until election day. That way the machine will work properly when tested before the election.
Election officials are not allowed to review the code in the voting machines. The companies claim this is proprietary information, so I do not know how something like this would ever be detected.
"Originally Posted by Old Pio
It's always a good idea to check your ballot before you submit it. Just like with punchcards, there was always a sign right on the voting booth that suggested you make certain all the "chips" are punched through.
While it's possible machine malfunctions in Nevada (or anywhere else) are the result of chicanery, my first instinct is to blame ordinary screwups (Occam's Razor). While I guess it may be possible to rig an electronic machine to register phony votes, I'm not convinced that it would be possible to "fix" enough machines so as to significantly undercount one candidate and overcount another, all in the same election.
Thousands of machines would be needed. And the "fixer" would need to know which rigged machines were going to which precinct. If you were "fixing" the election for Obama,you wouldn't want to send an "overcount" machine to a Romney precinct. Or an "undercount" machine to an Obama precinct. Such a scheme would require an enormous number of people and machines. I'm not saying it's impossible. Just not as easy as some suggest."
In states that use paperless touchscreen voting machines statewide (ie. Maryland & Georgia) it is very easy to rig a state for a national or statewide candidate. All it takes is a programmer from the voting machine company to insert a few lines of code that flips, say, every 10th vote from candidate A to candidate B. The programmer can also specify that the program not be activated until election day. That way the machine will work properly when tested before the election.
Election officials are not allowed to review the code in the voting machines. The companies claim this is proprietary information, so I do not know how something like this would ever be detected.
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Slap Shot
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Does either candidate have a relationship with any of the machine manufacturers?
Does either candidate have a relationship with any of the machine manufacturers?
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One of them has an indirect relationship.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9628
Quote from the link:
"Lee Fang at The Nation recently confirmed the FreePress reporting in a story of his own on the "crony capitalism" of Tagg Romney, whose father's money and high-profile connections present a number of troubling corporate conflicts of interest should Mitt Romney become President. The Daily Dolt also followed up with a very well-documented article on the H.I.G. group, their connections to Bain, and their takeover of Hart Intercivic."
One of them has an indirect relationship.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9628
Quote from the link:
"Lee Fang at The Nation recently confirmed the FreePress reporting in a story of his own on the "crony capitalism" of Tagg Romney, whose father's money and high-profile connections present a number of troubling corporate conflicts of interest should Mitt Romney become President. The Daily Dolt also followed up with a very well-documented article on the H.I.G. group, their connections to Bain, and their takeover of Hart Intercivic."
Twitch Boy
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One of the bright sides of living in a solid red state that is still voting after everyone else has gone to bed and is worth a whopping 3 EV: no robocalls, no door-knocking, no nonsense.
Gotten a few strange phone calls from out of state, but if I don't recognize the number I don't answer it. Must be pollsters. Not having a land line helps too.
One of the bright sides of living in a solid red state that is still voting after everyone else has gone to bed and is worth a whopping 3 EV: no robocalls, no door-knocking, no nonsense.
Gotten a few strange phone calls from out of state, but if I don't recognize the number I don't answer it. Must be pollsters. Not having a land line helps too.
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And the other 48? I will defer on the matter of "how easy" it is to jigger the machines. If you say it's "easy" then it's "easy." Which raises the questions of why hasn't it been done yet or how many times has it been done? My principal point was to expose just how silly it was to assert that the CEO of Diebold would publicly state before the Ohio voting in '04 that he intended to screw Thurston Howell III.
I had a room mate in college who believed, to the depths of his soul, that LBJ engineered the assassination of JFK. Part of his "proof" was that Johnson allegedly let out a "whoop" of celebration when the fatal shot struck JFK's head. Arguing that someone who would put out a hit on POTUS is unlikely to have so little self control as to give himself away at the crucial moment, fell on deaf ears.
On the day of the St. Valentine's day massacre, Al Capone was in Miami, having lunch with the DA.
And the other 48? I will defer on the matter of "how easy" it is to jigger the machines. If you say it's "easy" then it's "easy." Which raises the questions of why hasn't it been done yet or how many times has it been done? My principal point was to expose just how silly it was to assert that the CEO of Diebold would publicly state before the Ohio voting in '04 that he intended to screw Thurston Howell III.
I had a room mate in college who believed, to the depths of his soul, that LBJ engineered the assassination of JFK. Part of his "proof" was that Johnson allegedly let out a "whoop" of celebration when the fatal shot struck JFK's head. Arguing that someone who would put out a hit on POTUS is unlikely to have so little self control as to give himself away at the crucial moment, fell on deaf ears.
On the day of the St. Valentine's day massacre, Al Capone was in Miami, having lunch with the DA.
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I wonder if he was wearing his size 47 blue shoes and red nose when he was tweeting. Maybe he was riding out Sandy in Al Capone's vault.
I wonder if he was wearing his size 47 blue shoes and red nose when he was tweeting. Maybe he was riding out Sandy in Al Capone's vault.
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He's one of the Fox Crazy Crew, I'll grant you that.
He's one of the Fox Crazy Crew, I'll grant you that.
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Truthfully, I had forgotten that. As I've mentioned a couple of dozen times, I don't watch Fox, except for wall-to-wall coverage of breaking stories, like Sandy. Otherwise, no. I plan to watch MSNBC on election night, hoping for a couple of on air suicides. Their response to the first debate was highly entertaining.
One of my favorite Geraldo "moments" came when he mustered up that conspiratorial tone and asked Bruce Lee's younger brother is he "was satisfied with the coroner's report" on his brother's death. Yeah. Like the kid had actually read the report and would have understood it if he had.
Truthfully, I had forgotten that. As I've mentioned a couple of dozen times, I don't watch Fox, except for wall-to-wall coverage of breaking stories, like Sandy. Otherwise, no. I plan to watch MSNBC on election night, hoping for a couple of on air suicides. Their response to the first debate was highly entertaining.
One of my favorite Geraldo "moments" came when he mustered up that conspiratorial tone and asked Bruce Lee's younger brother is he "was satisfied with the coroner's report" on his brother's death. Yeah. Like the kid had actually read the report and would have understood it if he had.
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Bloomberg comes on board the Obama train.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/n...dxnnlx=1351796739-XErskhZYU0+D+Y85PzqB9A&_r=0
Not a bad day for the O bagging both The Economist and Bloomberg's endorsement. Kinda undercuts Mittens "businessman" rational for being elected, doesn't it?
Bloomberg comes on board the Obama train.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/n...dxnnlx=1351796739-XErskhZYU0+D+Y85PzqB9A&_r=0
Not a bad day for the O bagging both The Economist and Bloomberg's endorsement. Kinda undercuts Mittens "businessman" rational for being elected, doesn't it?
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Plenty of endorsements going both ways. Just saw that the Salem Oregon paper went for Romney and that Romney swept the four major newspapers in Iowa. Which probably doesn't matter a whole lot, just as Obama picking up some endorsement somewhere doesn't either.
Plenty of endorsements going both ways. Just saw that the Salem Oregon paper went for Romney and that Romney swept the four major newspapers in Iowa. Which probably doesn't matter a whole lot, just as Obama picking up some endorsement somewhere doesn't either.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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Yep, all based on the fact that Romney's a great businessman. He knows when and how to do bankruptcy, and offshoring of jobs better than Obama does. It's a no brainer.
Yep, all based on the fact that Romney's a great businessman. He knows when and how to do bankruptcy, and offshoring of jobs better than Obama does. It's a no brainer.
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Agreed. Endorsements used to matter 50 years ago, when people would pick up their local paper and read what the editor had to say about Candidate X. Now, with over a billion dollars spent on TV advertising, and almost non-stop coverage of the elections from the conventions through the debates, nearly everyone knows enough about what is important to them to make their decision. So Bloomberg decides to back Obama, or the Des Moines paper thinks Romney is the better choice...nobody cares. The only difference it means is that the candidate receiving the endorsement gets an extra 15 seconds of positive air time...but in relation to the hours and hours of political commercials, it is entirely insignificant.
Agreed. Endorsements used to matter 50 years ago, when people would pick up their local paper and read what the editor had to say about Candidate X. Now, with over a billion dollars spent on TV advertising, and almost non-stop coverage of the elections from the conventions through the debates, nearly everyone knows enough about what is important to them to make their decision. So Bloomberg decides to back Obama, or the Des Moines paper thinks Romney is the better choice...nobody cares. The only difference it means is that the candidate receiving the endorsement gets an extra 15 seconds of positive air time...but in relation to the hours and hours of political commercials, it is entirely insignificant.
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Endorsements, especially by news papers, are a throw back to a different era. So Bloomberg endorses the President. And voters who wouldn't know Op-ed from Mr. Ed are supposed to be influenced? Charles Foster Kane has long since lost whatever influence he had on the outcome of elections.
Endorsements, especially by news papers, are a throw back to a different era. So Bloomberg endorses the President. And voters who wouldn't know Op-ed from Mr. Ed are supposed to be influenced? Charles Foster Kane has long since lost whatever influence he had on the outcome of elections.
I don't think the Salem Oregon paper has quite the same heft as The Economist, but I'm on board with the point of this not swinging any votes. However, I will point out three things:
1) A point that's been made in the press is Hurricane Sandy has brought home the need for govt intervention. Mittens previously stated that states should be left to their own devices during natural disasters, which sounds great in theory but is preposterous in reality. I've never seen a drowning person ask if its a federal or state employee flying the chopper that just dropped a line for them to grasp onto.
I won't even get into them wanting to defund FEMA...
2) Competence, bipartisanship, and leadership are all on display for free here. Does anybody even care what Romney is doing or saying right now? Not a good position to be in less than a week from election day.
3) I suspect some frontrunning is going on here. I doubt Bloomberg or The Economist are backing Obama at this late stage if they thought he was going to lose. Basic human nature at work here. So much for Mitt-mentum.
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What you "suspect" is not evidence. Maybe you're right. Maybe not.
What you "suspect" is not evidence. Maybe you're right. Maybe not.
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