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2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

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geezer said:
This is interesting because I heard a lot of people saying in 2008 "if the GOP had nominated McCain in 2000, I would have voted for him then, but not now." I'm not sure what these statements reveal; whether sincere or an attempt to self-identify as more "moderate". Or is the GOP really one candidate behind the game in every cycle?
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To me, the issue is that candidates have to shift to the right to get the nomination and then have to try and pivot back to a more moderate stance during the general election. During the losing nominations they candidates stayed truer to their more moderate positions, making them more attractive to the general voter but could not unify the ideological primary voters to get them the nomination.
 
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MaizeRage said:
He's been the GOP front-runner the day after the election for like three elections running, and never ends up near the running. He will always be a guy that looks less and less attractive the closer he gets to the spotlight.
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Didn't he just turn 35?
 
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DisplacedCornellian said:
I think it's more that a moderate GOP candidate who might appeal to the moderate Dems fails to win the GOP nomination. Next election cycle, he skews more right to secure the nomination, losing whatever moderate support he may have had.
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This. Part of what I think of when I vote is who the person is affiliated with. I really struggled with voting this time. One of the things that gave me a hard time was Brown being assoc with a party who is organized enough to be a threat to enact some of the social issues that I find threatening. I am fairly conservative fiscally but I don't want someone legislating my morality.

One of Romney's problems with changing positions was he spoke to a particular group reassuring them he will stand for what they believe. When the poll for the next primary showed that didn't work where the contest was he changed the message. Collected the vote for that race but the people he promised before are now disenfranchised. Change enough times and you alienate a lot of people. He won Mass gov race by saying one thing and then when he ran for Pres he disavowed all those positions. THere are a lot of us that didn't forget that from the first time. Watching him do it again just cemented the belief that he wasn't trustworthy. I would more respect the guys like Akins or Mourdock who actually stood by their beliefs despite that putting them at risk. (don't agree with their stance but at least they stood by their moral principles!!)

I would add Ryan to the list of those I respect but not agree with. He does not adjust to what people want to hear
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Submission opens you to a fascist and totalitarian government, and is exactly what we have with the messiah dictator. That is not the American way.
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What makes this super funny and ironic is that you voted for Dubya...he brought American Facism into mainstream! I may dislike Obama but he isnt in the same league as your MBA sporting hero. Even better, Dubya was told by jesus to nearly destroy the U.S. ;)

As for people like blue, what did you expect? The GOP put up a candidate no one could like and flip flopped more than a frog on a trampoline and did everything he could to alienate pretty much every demographic except old white people. This was a guy they disliked so much they did everything they could NOT to nominate him in the primaries then tried to make everyone believe he was the guy they wanted all along. The GOP screwed themselves and it isnt the liberals you should be ticked at, it is the conservatives who are paying the price for selling their soul to the hard right and "Dubya the Destroyer".
 
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FreshFish said:
I highly doubt it.

"A [person] hears what s/he wants to hear
and disregards the rest."

I grew up in Chicago and am too familiar with Chicago politics ever to believe anything that any politician ever says about him/herself or his/her opponent.

Obama himself said he is a master at getting people to see what they like about themselves in him. There's no shame in being taken in by a master con man; that's what makes him a master after all.
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So which hurts more...being completely wrong about Health Care or completely wrong about the election and your hero Mitt Romney? ;)
 
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aparch said:
It's a shame to see the GOP blowhards are blaming Romney when they need to cut the crazies loose and put together the whole package.

It's too bad for the GOP how short-sighted they are. BB-DL's joke of "Jindal-Rubio" is likely their route even though they should find the most likable "Obama/Clinton" personality.


IMO, had the GOP went Romney instead of McCain in 08, he would have won. Romney and Ryan are done for. GOP needs to find a Ryan type and groom him quick.
The GOP also needs to do some weeding out of idiots like Akin.

Dems have their kooks too, but the seem to be quieter. If the GOP could somehow get the Tea Partiers to split, maybe they could snag back the Dem voters who are old traditional Repubs.
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The GOP needs to bust and Libertarians need to take over. There's a very strong message in fiscal responsibility and personal social responsibility there.
 
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FreshFish said:
What are you talking about? Being able to disagree about policy without demonizing the person with whom you disagree is essential for progress in any organization. Making trade-offs to promote the greater common good is not "submission"; it is adulthood.
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Its a bit...he wants us all to believe he is now Glenn Beck. :D
 
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Well, in the spirit of this newfound civility les speaks of, I'd just like to say....

BWAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA!!! Once again liberals wipe their rear-ends with conservatives. This is an utter and complete rejection of Knuckledraggerism - a stupid and brainless conservative state of mind that says tax cuts for GOP campaign contributors stimulates the economy, and launching pre-emptive wars is a swell idea. The GOP has now lost 4 out of the last 6 Presidential elections. That hasn't happened since LBJ won in '64. It's been outvoted in 5 out of 6, which hasn't happened since Truman won in '48. Yet we live in a center-right country? Ooooookaaaaayyyyy....

So, while I'll refrain from calling anybody out in public, for you old knucks' out here, when 2016 rolls around will you STILL be bleating about the 1980 election? Here's a newsflash, few people remember or care about Ronald Reagan. In fact, we can backdate the end of the Reagan Era to Nov of 1992 and start calling the subsequent 20 years the Clinton Era. Time to join the new millenium with the rest of us.

Also, what happened to all those secret polls of yours? Will you be releasing them anytime soon?

Whew - with that over (and lets admit it knucks', you were waiting for that ;)) lets do some analysis:

1) This loss is catastrophic for the GOP. Not only did they get croaked even though unemployment is at 7.9%, but the former solid South is splintering before their eyes. Virginia cannot become part of the Democratic base if the GOP is to win Presidential elections. Losing Florida is a big, BIG, problem. Supposedly the Sun Belt migration was going to give the GOP the Permanent Republican Majority. Funny in hindsight. One could chalk this up to a weak nominee, but how does that explain getting creamed in the Senate?

2) What happened to the Citizens United advantage? Simple, its the point of diminishing returns. If you outspend your opponent 1B to 950M, really does it matter? Apparently not. Some of my fellow libs got too whiny and nervous over this while righties were too overconfident. The Mittens late ad blitz? Nonexistent.

3) Two votes coming up will screw the Congressional Republicans. One is the fiscal cliff. Saw the Boner yapping about the House not raising taxes. Uhhhh...Johnny, by law taxes ARE going up so unless he's planning a coup he's about to eat his words. Thanks to a law Itch McConnell wrote, Obama is in the drivers seat. Second is the DREAM act. Either the idiots swallow it whole, or continue to get crushed with the Hispanic vote. Either works for me. :)
 
leswp1 said:
This. Part of what I think of when I vote is who the person is affiliated with. I really struggled with voting this time. One of the things that gave me a hard time was Brown being assoc with a party who is organized enough to be a threat to enact some of the social issues that I find threatening. I am fairly conservative fiscally but I don't want someone legislating my morality....)
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You should have ignored parties. Parties suck. Problem is the way the system works you have to be IN one or the other to get on a ballot to have people vote for you. The parties are dumb. Platforms are dumb. Looking at the parties us what is causing the gridlock you (and most of us) hate.
 
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When the vote is this close no one wiped anyone's arse. Just sayin'
 
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Almington said:
Regardless of if he self-identifies with the republican party, his expressed positions and opinions are clearly (and strongly) conservative.
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Yeah, and he clearly wanted Romney to win yesterday.

Just trying to have it both ways. Yesterday, both of his ways lost.
 
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Rover said:
Johnny, by law taxes ARE going up so unless he's planning a coup he's about to eat his words. Thanks to a law Itch McConnell wrote, Obama is in the drivers seat.
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Yeah, the GOP is over. I just hope there is some shred of fiscal conservatism remaining somewhere in the legislature to temper the forthcoming orgy.
 
leswp1 said:
When the vote is this close no one wiped anyone's arse. Just sayin'
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Tell that to the Republicans! Yet another 300+ electoral vote blowout, while the last GOP candidate to even reach that level was Bush I all the way back in 1988!
 
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South strategy loses. I've been to the south, everyone is black or brown with old dying whites. We saw how those numbers went yesterday.
 
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