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2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

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leswp1 said:
Wouldn't civility be nice? For those of us that are older that is what we grew up with. I wonder how many people in their 30's and younger actually remember a time when people across the aisle could do this. It seems like such a long time ago that this was the norm.
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What?! You be talkin' cray cray.

-23 year old
 
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Rubio-Jindal or Jindal-Rubio for 2016, if Obama can fool millions of brown people, we can too.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Faux is wondering if the lesson here is that Obama's negativity paid off?
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Isn't that the only thing he ran on? :confused:

"you need me to protect you from the rapacious [blah blah blah] plutocratic [blah blah blah] nefarious [blah blah blah] etc."
 
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leswp1 said:
Wouldn't civility be nice? For those of us that are older that is what we grew up with. I wonder how many people in their 30's and younger actually remember a time when people across the aisle could do this. It seems like such a long time ago that this was the norm.
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Submission opens you to a fascist and totalitarian government, and is exactly what we have with the messiah dictator. That is not the American way.
 
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FreshFish said:
Isn't that the only thing he ran on? :confused:

"you need me to protect you from the rapacious [blah blah blah] plutocratic [blah blah blah] nefarious [blah blah blah] etc."
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Heard a somewhat different message. Guess I was paying closer attention.
 
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brookyone said:
Heard a somewhat different message. Guess I was paying closer attention.
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I highly doubt it.

"A [person] hears what s/he wants to hear
and disregards the rest."

I grew up in Chicago and am too familiar with Chicago politics ever to believe anything that any politician ever says about him/herself or his/her opponent.

Obama himself said he is a master at getting people to see what they like about themselves in him. There's no shame in being taken in by a master con man; that's what makes him a master after all.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Submission opens you to a fascist and totalitarian government, and is exactly what we have with the messiah dictator. That is not the American way.
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What are you talking about? Being able to disagree about policy without demonizing the person with whom you disagree is essential for progress in any organization. Making trade-offs to promote the greater common good is not "submission"; it is adulthood.
 
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FreshFish said:
I highly doubt it.

"A [person] hears what s/he wants to hear
and disregards the rest."

I grew up in Chicago and am too familiar with Chicago politics ever to believe anything that any politician ever says about him/herself or his/her opponent.

Obama himself said he is a master at getting people to see what they like about themselves in him. There's no shame in being taken in by a master con man; that's what makes him a master after all.
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I feel no shame at being capable of recognizing a liar and a crook when I see one. Doubt all you want...people who grew up outside of Chicago are capable of discerning fact from fiction as well...it would seem. Fact is I think we narrowly escaped the wrath of the con man extraordinaire.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
My party? I've mentioned countless times that I am not a part of the Republican party. I haven't voted on the Republican ticket for a while now. Hell, I didn't even vote for RMoney!

Welcome to ignore.
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For someone who didn't vote for Romney and who isn't a Republican, you sure are taking these results hard.

Nobody believes you. Everything you post screams Republican.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Then you have the cynical *******s (such as the ecoterrorists) that can't do anything but complain. Also, partial solutions make things worse.
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Exhibit A. This is why we can get no where. The country is split 50/50 on most issues with the majority of them more centrist. The crazies on the far wings are blocking any sort of action that probably 50% would find acceptable.

FlagDUDE08 said:
Submission opens you to a fascist and totalitarian government, and is exactly what we have with the messiah dictator. That is not the American way.
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It was before people forgot that they needed to work together. The Founding Fathers got that not everyone would agree and tried to make a system where people compromised. It is only in the last little bit that people started to think governing was about destroying the other side rather than trying to work on a solution.

FreshFish said:
..... "A [person] hears what s/he wants to hear and disregards the rest.".....[insert any politian here] is a master at getting people to see what they like about themselves in him. There's no shame in being taken in by a master con man; that's what makes him a master after all.
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FYP

FreshFish said:
What are you talking about? Being able to disagree about policy without demonizing the person with whom you disagree is essential for progress in any organization. Making trade-offs to promote the greater common good is not "submission"; it is adulthood.
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See we can agree on some things :D
 
Gurtholfin said:
For someone who didn't vote for Romney and who isn't a Republican, you sure are taking these results hard.

Nobody believes you. Everything you post screams Republican.
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Regardless of if he self-identifies with the republican party, his expressed positions and opinions are clearly (and strongly) conservative.
 
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It's a shame to see the GOP blowhards are blaming Romney when they need to cut the crazies loose and put together the whole package.

It's too bad for the GOP how short-sighted they are. BB-DL's joke of "Jindal-Rubio" is likely their route even though they should find the most likable "Obama/Clinton" personality.


IMO, had the GOP went Romney instead of McCain in 08, he would have won. Romney and Ryan are done for. GOP needs to find a Ryan type and groom him quick.
The GOP also needs to do some weeding out of idiots like Akin.

Dems have their kooks too, but the seem to be quieter. If the GOP could somehow get the Tea Partiers to split, maybe they could snag back the Dem voters who are old traditional Repubs.
 
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aparch said:
IMO, had the GOP went Romney instead of McCain in 08, he would have won. Romney and Ryan are done for. GOP needs to find a Ryan type and groom him quick.
The GOP also needs to do some weeding out of idiots like Akin.
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This is interesting because I heard a lot of people saying in 2008 "if the GOP had nominated McCain in 2000, I would have voted for him then, but not now." I'm not sure what these statements reveal; whether sincere or an attempt to self-identify as more "moderate". Or is the GOP really one candidate behind the game in every cycle?
 
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aparch said:
It's too bad for the GOP how short-sighted they are. BB-DL's joke of "Jindal-Rubio" is likely their route even though they should find the most likable "Obama/Clinton" personality.
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The only thing worse than running the guy whose opinion changed with whatever the latest poll told him is picking the guy whose opinion changes with whatever the latest seance tells him. He's been the GOP front-runner the day after the election for like three elections running, and never ends up near the running. He will always be a guy that looks less and less attractive the closer he gets to the spotlight.
 
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geezer said:
This is interesting because I heard a lot of people saying in 2008 "if the GOP had nominated McCain in 2000, I would have voted for him then, but not now." I'm not sure what these statements reveal; whether sincere or an attempt to self-identify as more "moderate". Or is the GOP really one candidate behind the game in every cycle?
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I think it's more that a moderate GOP candidate who might appeal to the moderate Dems fails to win the GOP nomination. Next election cycle, he skews more right to secure the nomination, losing whatever moderate support he may have had.
 
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