2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

[geezer]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

That's never the point with these accusations.

Romney paid all the income tax he was legally required to pay! Oh my God how terrible!! (of course, Romney didn't write the tax code. If you want to argue that the tax code is messed up, fine; we'd all agree. However, the fact that Romney obeyed the tax code is scandalous how, exactly?)

Bain Capital legally invested in businesses and then restructured them! Oy my God how terrible! (wait a minute, shouldn't we really look under the surface? after all, Bain Capital was running an investment fund. Shouldn't we look behind the scenes to see who was really profiting from Bain Capital's nefarious activities? Ah, yes, all those millionaires and billionaire hedge fund operators who...wait, what? Bain Capital's investors were charitable foundations, university endowments, state and municipal pensions, and union pension funds? So Bain Capital's success allowed these organizations better to serve their purpose, which is to help people in need? um, never mind.)

Sorry, none of that fits into the "EEEEEEEvil Mormon Devil" narrative we've been carefully constructing over the past year-plus. Therefore you will be ignored.

 

[busterman62]

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Seeing as you won't read your own source or others, I'm not going to bother summarizing it. By the way, did you actually notice that your counter article was linked and referenced in the original one?

That's how I found the article. It was linked in the article Brooky linked. The internet is a great source of information isn't it?

Since you seem to be unwilling to summarize, let me help you out.
1. Romney invested in Elliot via a blind trust.
2. Elliot et al buy up Delphi for pennies on the dollar.
3. Gov't proposes bailout
4. Romney writes article denouncing bailout.....Let Detroit go bankrupt
5. Elliot buys controlling interest in Delphi by outbidding the KinderGentler Corp.
6. Elliot et al, strong arms the Gov't into a sweetheart deal for themselves & make boatloads of $$$ off Gov't ineptitude.
7. Workers are boned over by the deal the Gov't agreed to.
8. Although there is no evidence Romney directed his wife's blind trust, he once said blind trusts aren't so blind.
9. And..... wait for it......Romney MUST have known that he made $$$ on this. OMG!!!!
10. UAW says IF, that's right, IF Romney becomes president THERE MIGHT BE a conflict of interest.

Add all that up and it's clear as mud. Romney = Machiavelli

 

[mookie1995]

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http://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=UAW-Files-Charges-Against-by-Greg-Palast-121102-673.html

Good read for fools entranced with his & her Weliketoscoremillionsoffthe-misfortuneoflowlymiddleclassAmericansness.

i don't get the basis for the suit..... he doesn't hold, nor has he held, a government position.

 

[busterman62]

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i don't get the basis for the suit..... he doesn't hold, nor has he held, a government position.

Can't you see? He made $$$$. Isn't that evil enough for you?

 

[mookie1995]

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can i sue the uaw for wrongful death tomorrow in case one of their union employees f's up and makes a broken car in the future where my mom dies a horrible death?!?!?

 

[mookie1995]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

Can't you see? He made $$$$. Isn't that evil enough for you?

can we re-start tort reform? NOW?

 

[busterman62]

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can i sue the uaw for wrongful death tomorrow in case one of their union employees f's up and makes a broken car in the future where my mom dies a horrible death?!?!?

Sue the UAW? Why do you hate America?

 

[Foxton]

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That's how I found the article. It was linked in the article Brooky linked. The internet is a great source of information isn't it?

Since you seem to be unwilling to summarize, let me help you out.
1. Romney invested in Elliot via a blind trust.

No, Ann Romney invested in Singer via a "blind" trust. If Romney himself had, that means other laws go into effect. Laws that would have required him to reveal more of his money trail.

2. Elliot et al buy up Delphi for pennies on the dollar.
3. Gov't proposes bailout
4. Romney writes article denouncing bailout.....Let Detroit go bankrupt
5. Elliot buys controlling interest in Delphi by outbidding the KinderGentler Corp.
6. Elliot et al, strong arms the Gov't into a sweetheart deal for themselves & make boatloads of $$$ off Gov't ineptitude.

Passable

7. Workers are boned over by the deal the Gov't agreed to.

Actually that came after to crank up the profits. Should you be proud that Romney is tied to such entities? He's a job creator after all.

8. Although there is no evidence Romney directed his wife's blind trust, he once said blind trusts aren't so blind.

Are they or aren't they? Is he allowed to charge others with knowing about the actions of blind trusts or can he use it as an excuse when it suits him?

9. And..... wait for it......Romney MUST have known that he made $$$ on this. OMG!!!!

Romney would have to have been very ****ing stupid not to have noticed the sudden influx post bailout in a broken economy.

10. UAW says IF, that's right, IF Romney becomes president THERE MIGHT BE a conflict of interest.

It would become a huge conflict of interest because his money is tied up in things that a presidents actions directly affect. Romney already knows that he has to move his own trust to an approved one.

Source
Oooh I love this.

"As we've said before, the trustee of the blind trust has said publicly that he will endeavor to make the investments in the blind trust conform to Gov. Romney's positions," said Romney spokeswoman Michelle Davis, "and whenever it comes to his attention that there is something inconsistent, he ends the investment.

So, has he ended the investment or not? Surely Romney doesn't want to be connected to a company cutting pensions, firing workers, and moving jobs to china.

 

[joecct]

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Only 2.5 days until the robo calls end. This year has been the worst that I can remember. Somehow I need to find a way to block all the political calls in 2 years time. Any ideas???

 

[busterman62]

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Should you be proud that Romney is tied to such entities? He's a job creator after all.

So, I'm still looking for the evidence of what exactly Romney himself either did or directed others to do that was illegal. He can't have a conflict of interest if he's not president (and despite Scooby's continual predication otherwise, he won't be) so I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. Hardball capitalism isn't pretty and people get hurt but it sure doesn't appear here that Romney had anything to do with it other than making more $$$. In other words, this fits in Rover's Outrage of the Day file.

FWIW, no, I'm not proud of Romney. I dread to think of him as POTUS. Unfortunately, I think the other option is just as bad or worse. (Not sure if that makes me a racist, Anti-Morman or both)

 

[5mn_Major]

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So I get the value of states individuality. Let states decide for themselves and let the best states beat out other states for business and citizens.

The GOP is elected on small government and business effectiveness. Problem is that the GOP instantly switches over to its social conservative plank and forgets about fiscal conservatism. What's worse is that GOP is then not satisfied with just making laws via the legislature the way state Constituations have them because they don't pass. Everything has to be a referendum in order to change the supposedly sacred Constitution. And then, once the referendum is out there...all this money comes flooding in from redneck states who are trying to buy the referendum. What happened to state individuality? Suddenly I'd rather have a one size fits all than social conservative money from outside changing our state culture.

 

[joecct]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

So I get the value of states individuality. Let states decide for themselves and let the best states beat out other states for business and citizens.

The GOP is elected on small government and business effectiveness. Problem is that the GOP instantly switches over to its social conservative plank and forgets about fiscal conservatism. What's worse is that GOP is then not satisfied with just making laws via the legislature the way state Constituations have them because they don't pass. Everything has to be a referendum in order to change the supposedly sacred Constitution. And then, once the referendum is out there...all this money comes flooding in from redneck states who are trying to buy the referendum. What happened to state individuality? Suddenly I'd rather have a one size fits all than social conservative money from outside changing our state culture.

Then we may as well have a Constitutional Convention and redo it (shudder).

However, I agree about the GOP. The last version (prior to 2006/08) broke faith with what they promised. They were rightly turned out of office. The Dems that replaced them overreached and were almost completely turned out of office in 2010 (unfortunately it was the more moderate Dems that took the hit, not the extreme edge). We may need to wait for the biological solution to affect replacement of the leaderships and committee chairs because the voters won't do it.

I want the States to do it, even if it means that some states pass laws that I feel are, at best, misguided. I can always vote with my feet, something that I cannot do with a one size fits all approach.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Only 2.5 days until the robo calls end. This year has been the worst that I can remember.

10 political flyers in the last two days' worth of mail, including three identical ones from the same PAC (one for each member of the family), telling us to vote Yes on MI Prop 6 (Michiganders know what I'm talking about ).

 

[FreshFish]

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So I get the value of states individuality. Let states decide for themselves and let the best states beat out other states for business and citizens.

The GOP is elected on small government and business effectiveness. Problem is that the GOP instantly switches over to its social conservative plank and forgets about fiscal conservatism. What's worse is that GOP is then not satisfied with just making laws via the legislature the way state Constituations have them because they don't pass. Everything has to be a referendum in order to change the supposedly sacred Constitution. And then, once the referendum is out there...all this money comes flooding in from redneck states who are trying to buy the referendum. What happened to state individuality? Suddenly I'd rather have a one size fits all than social conservative money from outside changing our state culture.

Very well put. An excellent reason why I do not support the Republican party either.

 

[Old Pio]

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I usually don't respond to your rants, being just one my posse that follows me around. But take a second to compare Bengazhi with the Iraq war. Iraq killed what...1000x times the number of Americans? It consumed enough resources to help send the economy into a tailspin. And based on US army reports, killed an additional 100,000 people. These facts appear a bit lost on you.

And no...we will never, ever hear 'I was wrong' on the Iraq war from militant conservatives including you...so until that happens, your cred on international conflict is zero.

And what does that libstain vomit have to do with your referring to the deaths of 4 brave Americans as "Benghazi thingy?" When you work out the details, why not tell all of us. I guess not enough Americans died at Benghazi to even get entry level respect or sympathy from you. Pathetic.

Why don't you, for once, take ownership of the moronic things you say and just apologize for your lack of respect for those guys (implied or expressed) instead of changing the subject? It won't hurt, I promise.

 

[Old Pio]

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http://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=UAW-Files-Charges-Against-by-Greg-Palast-121102-673.html

Good read for fools entranced with his & her Weliketoscoremillionsoffthe-misfortuneoflowlymiddleclassAmericansness.

The UAW? Seriously?

 

[Old Pio]

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OP doesn't care about those 4 in Bengazhi any more than he cares about the thousands of dead in Iraq. Just a chance to score political points and cry about perceived media bias.

Troll or child. I'm still trying to make up my mind.

 

[Old Pio]

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That's how I found the article. It was linked in the article Brooky linked. The internet is a great source of information isn't it?

Since you seem to be unwilling to summarize, let me help you out.
1. Romney invested in Elliot via a blind trust.
2. Elliot et al buy up Delphi for pennies on the dollar.
3. Gov't proposes bailout
4. Romney writes article denouncing bailout.....Let Detroit go bankrupt
5. Elliot buys controlling interest in Delphi by outbidding the KinderGentler Corp.
6. Elliot et al, strong arms the Gov't into a sweetheart deal for themselves & make boatloads of $$$ off Gov't ineptitude.
7. Workers are boned over by the deal the Gov't agreed to.
8. Although there is no evidence Romney directed his wife's blind trust, he once said blind trusts aren't so blind.
9. And..... wait for it......Romney MUST have known that he made $$$ on this. OMG!!!!
10. UAW says IF, that's right, IF Romney becomes president THERE MIGHT BE a conflict of interest.

Add all that up and it's clear as mud. Romney = Machiavelli

Don't forget he gave that guy's wife cancer. And failed to pay taxes for years. Oh, wait, that was several members of the cabinet.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

That's never the point with these accusations.

Romney paid all the income tax he was legally required to pay! Oh my God how terrible!! (of course, Romney didn't write the tax code. If you want to argue that the tax code is messed up, fine; we'd all agree. However, the fact that Romney obeyed the tax code is scandalous how, exactly?)

Bain Capital legally invested in businesses and then restructured them! Oy my God how terrible! (wait a minute, shouldn't we really look under the surface? after all, Bain Capital was running an investment fund. Shouldn't we look behind the scenes to see who was really profiting from Bain Capital's nefarious activities? Ah, yes, all those millionaires and billionaire hedge fund operators who...wait, what? Bain Capital's investors were charitable foundations, university endowments, state and municipal pensions, and union pension funds? So Bain Capital's success allowed these organizations better to serve their purpose, which is to help people in need? um, never mind.)

"Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids."

 

[mookie1995]

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bad news for BHO today..... redskins down 6-21!!!!