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2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown
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Re: 2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown
Now there's some transcripts I'd like to see
Now there's some transcripts I'd like to see
ericredaxe
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Re: 2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown
This is the truth...
Not one of the birthers I know would admit to being an idiot after seeing the long form certificate.
This is the truth...
Not one of the birthers I know would admit to being an idiot after seeing the long form certificate.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: 2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown
Idiots don't know they're idiots. Thankfully, they represent a tiny fraction of the right-of-center population.
Idiots don't know they're idiots. Thankfully, they represent a tiny fraction of the right-of-center population.
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If I knew any birther/truthers I doubt I'd admit it in public. I've never had the slightest doubt about His Transcriptlessness' birth. On the other hand, I'm curious about what it is in his academic records that he wants so desperately to keep secret. From my perspective it's just schadenfreude.
If I knew any birther/truthers I doubt I'd admit it in public. I've never had the slightest doubt about His Transcriptlessness' birth. On the other hand, I'm curious about what it is in his academic records that he wants so desperately to keep secret. From my perspective it's just schadenfreude.
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So I've heard about the need to have some complicated voter ID process to make absolutley sure that we don't have people double voting (even though there is very little evidence that double voting is occurring). But supposedly this has nothing to make voting more difficult.
So why then does it seem that its so hard to vote in other ways. Long voting lines on election day. FL cutting early voting from 14 days to 8. Now I guess early voting in Florida had 6 1/2 hour lines to do early voting (which is supposed to ease up on voting). And many of these states don't want monitors. Sometimes you don't need to have transparency to see corrupt behavior.
So I've heard about the need to have some complicated voter ID process to make absolutley sure that we don't have people double voting (even though there is very little evidence that double voting is occurring). But supposedly this has nothing to make voting more difficult.
So why then does it seem that its so hard to vote in other ways. Long voting lines on election day. FL cutting early voting from 14 days to 8. Now I guess early voting in Florida had 6 1/2 hour lines to do early voting (which is supposed to ease up on voting). And many of these states don't want monitors. Sometimes you don't need to have transparency to see corrupt behavior.
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"Benghazi thingy?" Have you apologized for that yet? You should. Your trolling no longer entertains. And it most certainly doesn't inform. Why don't you just submit a list of your favorite 3rd world or Islamic "republics" that you'd like to have "monitor" our elections. Like keeping these foreign a*sholes out of precincts is "proof" of corrupt behavior. The only "corruption" here is between your ears. I'm assuming you miss the irony of an obamabot yammering about "transparency."
"Benghazi thingy?" Have you apologized for that yet? You should. Your trolling no longer entertains. And it most certainly doesn't inform. Why don't you just submit a list of your favorite 3rd world or Islamic "republics" that you'd like to have "monitor" our elections. Like keeping these foreign a*sholes out of precincts is "proof" of corrupt behavior. The only "corruption" here is between your ears. I'm assuming you miss the irony of an obamabot yammering about "transparency."
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brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
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http://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=UAW-Files-Charges-Against-by-Greg-Palast-121102-673.html
Good read for fools entranced with his & her Weliketoscoremillionsoffthe-misfortuneoflowlymiddleclassAmericansness.
http://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=UAW-Files-Charges-Against-by-Greg-Palast-121102-673.html
Good read for fools entranced with his & her Weliketoscoremillionsoffthe-misfortuneoflowlymiddleclassAmericansness.
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I usually don't respond to your rants, being just one my posse that follows me around. But take a second to compare Bengazhi with the Iraq war. Iraq killed what...1000x times the number of Americans? It consumed enough resources to help send the economy into a tailspin. And based on US army reports, killed an additional 100,000 people. These facts appear a bit lost on you.
And no...we will never, ever hear 'I was wrong' on the Iraq war from militant conservatives including you...so until that happens, your cred on international conflict is zero.
I usually don't respond to your rants, being just one my posse that follows me around. But take a second to compare Bengazhi with the Iraq war. Iraq killed what...1000x times the number of Americans? It consumed enough resources to help send the economy into a tailspin. And based on US army reports, killed an additional 100,000 people. These facts appear a bit lost on you.
And no...we will never, ever hear 'I was wrong' on the Iraq war from militant conservatives including you...so until that happens, your cred on international conflict is zero.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: 2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown
He just like Obamas cabinet members, I'm shocked that what they do doesn't matter, oh wait I'm not
Re: 2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown
@ FS23:
I made a statement earlier within a given context. If you take the statement outside of that context (which is what appears may have happened), it reads quite a bit differently.
To reset:
The great psychologist Alfred Adler said, "Observe only actions." Another great psychologist said "the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior."
I suggested that what candidates say while campaigning for office often has little relationship to how they perform once they are elected to office. I did not say this as a criticism, merely as an observation: situations change, circumstances change.
For example, in 2008, Barack Obama promised to close the detention camp in Guantanamo Bay. It is still open. I don't criticize him for that; I think it was the right decision. Once he was President, he discovered things and realized things that led him to conclude that keeping Gitmo running made more sense.
In 2008, Barack Obama criticized Hilary Clinton for including a mandate in her health care reform proposal, and promised he would include a mandate in his version of health care reform. The mandate became the centerpiece of his reform proposal. I would criticize him for pursuing health care reform in the first place when restoring economic growth should have been the highest priority. I think the mandate is a really bad idea, but I would criticize the advisors that Obama relied on for recommending it more so than Obama for including it.
What I suggested was that we set aside all campaign rhetoric from both candidates, both about themselves and about each other as well, and merely examine their records.
As far as my own politics, I find that neither the Repugnicans nor the Dummycrats represent the things I find most important, and both the Repugnicans and the Dummycrats stand for things I oppose. In particular, both parties are way too involved in corporate welfare of one kind or another for my taste; and both parties both involve the federal government far too much in matters that should be left to states and localities.
As a great man once said,
@ FS23:
I made a statement earlier within a given context. If you take the statement outside of that context (which is what appears may have happened), it reads quite a bit differently.
To reset:
The great psychologist Alfred Adler said, "Observe only actions." Another great psychologist said "the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior."
I suggested that what candidates say while campaigning for office often has little relationship to how they perform once they are elected to office. I did not say this as a criticism, merely as an observation: situations change, circumstances change.
For example, in 2008, Barack Obama promised to close the detention camp in Guantanamo Bay. It is still open. I don't criticize him for that; I think it was the right decision. Once he was President, he discovered things and realized things that led him to conclude that keeping Gitmo running made more sense.
In 2008, Barack Obama criticized Hilary Clinton for including a mandate in her health care reform proposal, and promised he would include a mandate in his version of health care reform. The mandate became the centerpiece of his reform proposal. I would criticize him for pursuing health care reform in the first place when restoring economic growth should have been the highest priority. I think the mandate is a really bad idea, but I would criticize the advisors that Obama relied on for recommending it more so than Obama for including it.
What I suggested was that we set aside all campaign rhetoric from both candidates, both about themselves and about each other as well, and merely examine their records.
As far as my own politics, I find that neither the Repugnicans nor the Dummycrats represent the things I find most important, and both the Repugnicans and the Dummycrats stand for things I oppose. In particular, both parties are way too involved in corporate welfare of one kind or another for my taste; and both parties both involve the federal government far too much in matters that should be left to states and localities.
As a great man once said,
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Gurtholfin
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OP doesn't care about those 4 in Bengazhi any more than he cares about the thousands of dead in Iraq. Just a chance to score political points and cry about perceived media bias.
OP doesn't care about those 4 in Bengazhi any more than he cares about the thousands of dead in Iraq. Just a chance to score political points and cry about perceived media bias.
busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
Re: 2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown
You did it. You've convinced me that Romney is really Machiavelli in disguise. He comes out publicly against a bailout simply to divert attention from the fact that he is really going to use it to make more money.
You might want to actually look at the article that describes what went on. He made $$$$ via a blind trust through an investment company that essentially took Rattner to the cleaners. If anything, this shows the current admin's inability to play hardball rather than Romney as some kind of evil genius.
You did it. You've convinced me that Romney is really Machiavelli in disguise. He comes out publicly against a bailout simply to divert attention from the fact that he is really going to use it to make more money.
You might want to actually look at the article that describes what went on. He made $$$$ via a blind trust through an investment company that essentially took Rattner to the cleaners. If anything, this shows the current admin's inability to play hardball rather than Romney as some kind of evil genius.
Foxton
Banned
Re: 2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown
So did you actually read to the end of that or just like the title?You did it. You've convinced me that Romney is really Machiavelli in disguise. He comes out publicly against a bailout simply to divert attention from the fact that he is really going to use it to make more money.
You might want to actually look at the article that describes what went on. He made $$$$ via a blind trust through an investment company that essentially took Rattner to the cleaners. If anything, this shows the current admin's inability to play hardball rather than Romney as some kind of evil genius.
busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
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Yep, I did. Show me what he did that was illegal.
Yep, I did. Show me what he did that was illegal.
brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
Re: 2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown
Bingo! A true barometer of his Zeropersonal&professionalethicsandmoralityness.You did it. You've convinced me that Romney is really Machiavelli in disguise. He comes out publicly against a bailout simply to divert attention from the fact that he is really going to use it to make more money.
As it happens...I did read the article. If anything my interpretation of it's implications are vastly different than yours.
Yeah...his Butt****the99percentness has proven time and time again he would never conceive of such a scumbag dirtball plan of operation...You did it. You've convinced me that Romney is really Machiavelli in disguise. He comes out publicly against a bailout simply to divert attention from the fact that he is really going to use it to make more money.
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busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
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Come on. If you want to say Romney has "principles" that flap in the wind you need to look only to his stance on abortion. This, however, is nothing more than outrage of the day.
He made $$$ because people he invested in bent Rattner over the table and had their way with him. The workers got spewed on in the aftermath because Rattner either was incapable or just didn't give a $hite. And Romney is the Evil Genius in this scenario because????????
Foxton
Banned
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Seeing as you won't read your own source or others, I'm not going to bother summarizing it. By the way, did you actually notice that your counter article was linked and referenced in the original one?
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That's never the point with these accusations.
Romney paid all the income tax he was legally required to pay! Oh my God how terrible!! (of course, Romney didn't write the tax code. If you want to argue that the tax code is messed up, fine; we'd all agree. However, the fact that Romney obeyed the tax code is scandalous how, exactly?)
Bain Capital legally invested in businesses and then restructured them! Oy my God how terrible! (wait a minute, shouldn't we really look under the surface? after all, Bain Capital was running an investment fund. Shouldn't we look behind the scenes to see who was really profiting from Bain Capital's nefarious activities? Ah, yes, all those millionaires and billionaire hedge fund operators who...wait, what? Bain Capital's investors were charitable foundations, university endowments, state and municipal pensions, and union pension funds? So Bain Capital's success allowed these organizations better to serve their purpose, which is to help people in need? um, never mind.)
That's never the point with these accusations.
Romney paid all the income tax he was legally required to pay! Oh my God how terrible!! (of course, Romney didn't write the tax code. If you want to argue that the tax code is messed up, fine; we'd all agree. However, the fact that Romney obeyed the tax code is scandalous how, exactly?)
Bain Capital legally invested in businesses and then restructured them! Oy my God how terrible! (wait a minute, shouldn't we really look under the surface? after all, Bain Capital was running an investment fund. Shouldn't we look behind the scenes to see who was really profiting from Bain Capital's nefarious activities? Ah, yes, all those millionaires and billionaire hedge fund operators who...wait, what? Bain Capital's investors were charitable foundations, university endowments, state and municipal pensions, and union pension funds? So Bain Capital's success allowed these organizations better to serve their purpose, which is to help people in need? um, never mind.)
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