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2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

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weather and climate are two different things. and I would say "some" scientists agree about global warming.
 
Rover said:
I'm amused by this logic. People are hiring for Christmas in October? I know the season starts earlier, but this is pretty laughable. Especially considering the trend towards shopping on line....

OP, yet another 170K jobs added is proof we've finally dug ourselves out of the pit that was the Bush Administration. No point in going back to those policies now, is there?
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actually not. Christmas decorations have been up in stores for a couple of weeks. with training, trying to get capable employees, yes, holiday hiring starts in October
 
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manurespreader said:
I think you are kind of confusing climate change with the causes of climate change. I deal with the weather every day and have for many years. I can say unequivocally that storms are bigger now, both winter and summer, that overall we have more tornado's, more blizzards, more droughts than ever. There is just a ton more energy in the atmosphere and it's going somewhere. For instance thunderstorms over 40,000 ft used to be rare in the more northern latitudes, but now we regularly get storms over 50,000 ft in the Boston area.It takes a ton more energy to make a 50,000 ft storm vs a 40,000 ft one, and the air in the Northern US is much more stable, so ....

I don't know about the cause for sure, but the effect is the same if you ask me.
I think by ignoring science here we are sticking our heads in the sand and hoping it goes away.
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Which "science" are we referring to? The "science" put forward by the "warmists" that's been jiggered to fit their agenda? The folks in the northeast got hammered, no question. But for the folks living on the Gulf coast, the traditional victims of hurricanes, this was a mild season. One storm that smacks Neuvo York is not proof of anything. Except, perhaps, bad luck.
 
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manurespreader said:
I think you are kind of confusing climate change with the causes of climate change. I deal with the weather every day and have for many years. I can say unequivocally that storms are bigger now, both winter and summer, that overall we have more tornado's, more blizzards, more droughts than ever. There is just a ton more energy in the atmosphere and it's going somewhere. For instance thunderstorms over 40,000 ft used to be rare in the more northern latitudes, but now we regularly get storms over 50,000 ft in the Boston area.It takes a ton more energy to make a 50,000 ft storm vs a 40,000 ft one, and the air in the Northern US is much more stable, so ....

I don't know about the cause for sure, but the effect is the same if you ask me.
I think by ignoring science here we are sticking our heads in the sand and hoping it goes away.
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I seem to recall back in the 50's and early 60's a bunch of hurricanes that came up the East Coast, seeing pictures from some time about the steeple of the Old North Church knocked a-kilter and tornadoes in Worcester.

Are we repeating?
 
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huskyfan said:
weather and climate are two different things. and I would say "some" scientists agree about global warming.
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More scientists agree that global warming is occurring than agree that human activity is the primary cause.

That's the bigger problem: if human activity is not the primary cause, then we need to promote economic growth so as to develop the technologies and accumulate the resources needed to cope with the climactic climatic changes that may be in store.

That's the opposite remedy than the alarmists are calling for, which is really a shame. If they had focused all that energy into having people do practical things to prepare for the consequences instead of trying to constrict growth, they'd have found a much broader, more receptive audience.
 
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Old Pio said:
Wrong. In science, the question of evolution is as settled as things get. Not so with global warming.
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Wrong. The exact same method is used to try and discredit both. As though scientists who are actually involved quibbling over details means that both aren't happening. Or someone in a wildly unrelated field have 'doubts' is somehow relevant.
 
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Foxton said:
Wrong. The exact same method is used to try and discredit both. As though scientists who are actually involved quibbling over details means that both aren't happening. Or someone in a wildly unrelated field have 'doubts' is somehow relevant.
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Have there been any scandals lately involving "evolutionists" massaging the date to support their point of view?
 
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Old Pio said:
Have there been any scandals lately involving "evolutionists" massaging the date to support their point of view?
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Could you show one of those for global warming? Or is the world supposed to just assume that there have been?
 
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Foxton said:
Could you show one of those for global warming? Or is the world supposed to just assume that there have been?
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It's been extensively reported for months. Not my job to bring you up to speed on "warmist" scandals.
 
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I'm not convinced our current science is advanced enough to convincingly tease out a man-made cause in climate change. We can observe climate change occurring, and we can observe man made changes on the environment but we can really plug that into the rest of the entire system and say "Yep, that's the cause?" It always gets explained to me as a simple correlation. "We pump out more CO2 because we're awful, and that makes everything hotter." The entire planet wide system seems more complicated than that.
 
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bronconick said:
I'm not convinced our current science is advanced enough to convincingly tease out a man-made cause in climate change. We can observe climate change occurring, and we can observe man made changes on the environment but we can really plug that into the rest of the entire system and say "Yep, that's the cause?" It always gets explained to me as a simple correlation. "We pump out more CO2 because we're awful, and that makes everything hotter." The entire planet wide system seems more complicated than that.
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I don't follow these matters closely. But a few years ago weren't some of these "warmists", with equal assurance, warning us of global freezing?
 
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Old Pio said:
Actually, it's you who have been revealed.
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As someone who is skeptical of baseless claims? Happy to oblige.

bronconick said:
I'm not convinced our current science is advanced enough to convincingly tease out a man-made cause in climate change. We can observe climate change occurring, and we can observe man made changes on the environment but we can really plug that into the rest of the entire system and say "Yep, that's the cause?" It always gets explained to me as a simple correlation. "We pump out more CO2 because we're awful, and that makes everything hotter." The entire planet wide system seems more complicated than that.
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Obviously it is more complicated than that but a judgement call of awful or not doesn't factor in. It's happening and the data supports a clear correlation between human activities and the rise in global temperatures. I'll even reference a study, that started out specifically to show that the data was inaccurate, because unlike old piece of **** I do believe in backing things up.

Opinion piece by the organizer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/o...mate-change-skeptic.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&

And the results they got after pouring over mountains of data.
http://berkeleyearth.org/results-summary/
 
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