2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

[Bob Gray]

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Thought you had me on ignore?

Trying to see in your statement below where you acknowledge that both sides are doing anything...


"We'll know in a few days whether Obama's and the media's negative campaign pays off for him. There is the old saying that if you say something over and over, some people will begin the believe it."


We'll see the same thing apparently as to whether Mitten's lies in Ohio pay off, right?

The women's rights issues are based upon actual, plausible outcomes. The Romney lies are just lies. He knows it, you know it, but the ends justify the means.

Figured I'd give you another try.

You confirmed your inability to see anything wrong with your side of the aisle. You're like Scooby, just not quite as shrill.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Why even have the economy-destroying policies in the first place?

These guys wouldn't know nuance if it landed on the end of their nose.

 

[Rover]

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Great point about Mittens and women's issues. I too belive the old Mitt Romney, not the new before he started reverting back to the old one we've seen in the last couple of weeks Romney (whew, now I'm confused). He personally probably believes little of the rhetoric he's been spouting off. The problem is will he spend political capital opposing his own party on this legislation? Answer: No. Why would he?

Latest polls:

Here's the latest national tracking polls:

Rasmussen: Obama 48%, Romney 48%

Here are the latest polls from the battleground states:

Colorado: Romney 47%, Obama 46% (Reuters/Ipsos)

Florida: Obama 48%, Romney 46% (Reuters/Ipsos)

Iowa: Obama 49%, Romney 45% (Gravis)

New Hampshire: Obama 50%, Romney 44% (New England College)

Ohio: Obama 47%, Romney 45% (Reuters/Ipsos)

Virginia: Obama 49%, Romney 44% (Reuters)

 

[FreshFish]

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Wasn't someone trying to say that natural disasters are why we need an oversize federal bureaucracy?

Before Sandy struck, Federal Emergency Management Agency officials said they had 400 industrial-size power generators ready to help the East Coast. Three days after Sandy landed, only a fraction of that equipment is actually providing power, despite the fact that millions are still without electricity.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...3192471666514.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTTopStories


The states would be far better served by forming their own set of coordinating councils instead (again, another innovation I expected to hear from Romney and did not). Sort of how the National Association of Insurance Commissioners works: they have a set of standards which each state then adapts to local situation.

No insurance = no commerce, the NAIC has worked extremely well as a model of interstate coordination and cooperation.

If the federal government weren't such a wasteful vacuum cleaner sucking up way too many private resources, states could pool some of those resources and manage disaster relief far better than the feds ever do or ever have.

Interesting historical perspective from Democrat Grover Cleveland:

On Tuesday, Aug. 22, [1893,] in the Atlantic Ocean, four hurricanes were swirling simultaneously....Wednesday night, one of the hurricanes slammed into New York City. At least 30 people were killed. A storm surge swept across southern Brooklyn and Queens, destroying virtually everything in its path. Railroad tracks near Brighton Beach were washed away, along with bath houses and sections of boardwalk.

Four days later, on Aug. 27, the last, even more powerful hurricane made landfall near Savannah, Ga., devastating coastal island communities. As many as 2,000 people were killed, many swept out to sea, never to be seen again. Corn and cotton crops were ruined, and wells were contaminated with seawater.

In the wake of these twin tragedies, however, President Grover Cleveland did nothing.

Cleveland, a Democrat and former governor of New York, opposed government intervention in natural disasters. In his first term he had vetoed a bill that would have given drought-stricken Texas farmers $10,000 for seeds. “Federal aid in such cases encourages the expectation of paternal care on the part of the government and weakens the sturdiness of our national character,” Cleveland wrote in his veto message.

...

Into the void stepped Clara Barton, the 72-year-old nurse who had founded the American Red Cross 12 years earlier. Almost single-handedly, Ms. Barton organized relief efforts — distributing food and clothing and supervising the construction of new homes (first for widows and the infirm). Her heroic work, especially in the South, saved countless thousands from disease and starvation.

The Mormon and Catholic and non-sectarian relief efforts after Katrina probably also did more for the victims than FEMA: they arrived sooner, brought more useful stuff, interacted face-to-face with more people, and stayed longer. Of course, when you aren't running around chasing headlines and photo ops, you have more time to do the work that actually needs to be done.


I do grudgingly have to admit that FEMA can write checks with the best of them.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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You confirmed your inability to see anything wrong with your side of the aisle.

Sure I did.

"My side" is pushing a hot button topic that's based in reality (are Republicans NOT trying to push personhood and end abortion?).


Outside of this issue, there's plenty wrong with "my side" of the aisle.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Sure I did.

"My side" is pushing a hot button topic that's based in reality (are Republicans NOT trying to push personhood and end abortion?).


Outside of this issue, there's plenty wrong with "my side" of the aisle.

Yah, sure, that's why we never hear any of it from you. I'd take you more seriously if you noted problems on both sides at times. Otherwise you're just a slightly calmer version of Scooby.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Yah, sure, that's why we never hear any of it from you. I'd take you more seriously if you noted problems on both sides at times. Otherwise you're just a slightly calmer version of Scooby.

Right. Just keep saying that I'm the problem with the forum and world and it'll come true. It's like a Glenn Beck comedy hour around here.

 

[FreshFish]

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Obama is an effective guard against anything crazy getting passed.

What are you talking about? Have you been asleep since January 2009 and just woke up?

The stimulus that Keynesians wanted was nothing at all like the stimulus that he signed into law. The stimulus they wanted would have been targeted toward private-sector recovery, the stimulus that actually passed was classic Congressional pork: all sorts of public-sector projects that are like a facade in Hollywood: it looks good but there is nothing lasting. That money was wasted.

No matter what kind of health care reform you may have wanted, PPACA did not deliver. There was no "reform" there at all, merely ill-advised untried experimentation that is not single payor, does not provide everyone coverage and on and on and on. (a tax on medical devices was implemented because health-care costs are too high? isn't that "crazy"?)

and to pretend that somehow killing Osama bin Laden would be the end of al Qaida? even a fifth-grader would understand that it would only harden their desire for revenge and be a reason for elevated security measures, especially in a country that had just lost a dictatorial ruler and had not yet developed a central government to replace him.


Obama a guard against crazy? that is a crazy thing to say, he's been at the forefront of some really immature, thoughtless, careless policies. if he had been a guard against crazy, his re-election prospects would not be so dicey right now.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Right. Just keep saying that I'm the problem with the forum and world and it'll come true. It's like a Glenn Beck comedy hour around here.

I never said you're any sort of problem. Just that you're very vehemently partisan for Obama. But, I don't expect you to pay close attention.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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What are you talking about? Have you been asleep since January 2009 and just woke up?

The stimulus that Keynesians wanted was nothing at all like the stimulus that he signed into law. The stimulus they wanted would have been targeted toward private-sector recovery, the stimulus that actually passed was classic Congressional pork: all sorts of public-sector projects that are like a facade in Hollywood: it looks good but there is nothing lasting. That money was wasted.

No matter what kind of health care reform you may have wanted, PPACA did not deliver. There was no "reform" there at all, merely ill-advised untried experimentation that is not single payor, does not provide everyone coverage and on and on and on.

and to pretend that somehow killing Osama bin Laden would be the end of al Qaida? even a fifth-grader would understand that it would only harden their desire for revenge and be a reason for elevated security measures, especially in a country that had just lost a dictatorial ruler and had not yet developed a central government to replace him.


Obama a guard against crazy? that is a crazy thing to say, he's been at the forefront of some really immature, thoughtless, careless policies. if he had been a guard against crazy, his re-election prospects would not be so dicey right now.

That line that you pulled without noting the context that it was stated was in regards to female health issues - as was the rest of my post.

If national Republicans get the idea to pass a vaginal ultrasound bill - which isn't an illogical leap - Obama will provide a last line of defense.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I never said you're any sort of problem. Just that you're very vehemently partisan for Obama. But, I don't expect you to pay close attention.

Yes, I'm in the pocket for Obama. I'm like Obama girl except I don't have a vagina.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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I never said you're any sort of problem. Just that you're very vehemently partisan for Obama. But, I don't expect you to pay close attention.

Pretty much everyone that is posting in this thread is vehemently partisan one way or the other. It's the nature of the beast in today's politics. It's amazing how divided and stubborn both parties are. Hopefully that changes sooner than later, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Yes, I'm in the pocket for Obama. I'm like Obama girl except I don't have a vagina.

You said it, not me.

 

[burd]

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On the subject of impeaching either Scooby or Gurt:

There is no better way to impeach someone's credibility than to prove he is either a Gopher or a Badger fan. You could argue convincingly that those guys are both Sioux fans at heart, but I have my doubts.

Scooby's skepticism about Gopher success and sense of humor make him highly credible.

Gurts photoshopping and idiot-baiting skills make him highly admirable and therefore credible.

Both hold political beliefs that are logical and absolutely rock-solid.

Both know a lunatic when they see one.

Pretty hard to bet against them, when you think it through carefully.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Pretty much everyone that is posting in this thread is vehemently partisan one way or the other. It's the nature of the beast in today's politics. It's amazing how divided and stubborn both parties are. Hopefully that changes sooner than later, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

That's true to some extent, but there are people around that aren't so shrill in their tone and can acknowledge that their side has issues and the other side isn't evil incarnate (Kepler, where are you these days?).

 

[Gurtholfin]

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On the subject of impeaching either Scooby or Gurt:

There is no better way to impeach someone's credibility than to prove he is either a Gopher or a Badger fan. You could argue convincingly that those guys are both Sioux fans at heart, but I have my doubts.

Scooby's skepticism about Gopher success and sense of humor make him highly credible.

Gurts photoshopping and idiot-baiting skills make him highly admirable and therefore credible.

Both hold political beliefs that are logical and absolutely rock-solid.

Both know a lunatic when they see one.

Pretty hard to bet against them, when you think it through carefully.

Must spread rep...

 

[Bob Gray]

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On the subject of impeaching either Scooby or Gurt:

There is no better way to impeach someone's credibility than to prove he is either a Gopher or a Badger fan. You could argue convincingly that those guys are both Sioux fans at heart, but I have my doubts.

Scooby's skepticism about Gopher success and sense of humor make him highly credible.

Gurts photoshopping and idiot-baiting skills make him highly admirable and therefore credible.

Both hold political beliefs that are logical and absolutely rock-solid.

Both know a lunatic when they see one.

Pretty hard to bet against them, when you think it through carefully.

Well, I'll concede that this is more logically laid out than a lot of what I see around here. Thanks for an, uh, interesting perspective.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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That's true to some extent, but there are people around that aren't so shrill in their tone and can acknowledge that their side has issues and the other side isn't evil incarnate (Kepler, where are you these days?).

Certainly civility can go a long way. What's interesting is that usually even the candidates don't have the visceral hatred that many of the partisans have.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Certainly civility can go a long way. What's interesting is that usually even the candidates don't have the visceral hatred that many of the partisans have.

Or at least the candidates can't express it (and remain a viable candidate) the way the partisans can.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Or at least the candidates can't express it (and remain a viable candidate) the way the partisans can.

I would imagine that in some cases that to be true, but in my experience, generally, the candidates just agree to disagree and don't bring hatred into their disagreement.