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2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

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this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth. This was the moment -- this was the time -- when we came together to remake this great nation.
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Another broken promise? you forgot to tell Sandy?
 
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Nate Silver now gives Obama a 70-vote lead and growing. That would definitely be landslide country. I heard the other day that he lost his temper when someone criticized his methods, and offered a $2000 bet on Obama winning. So he's pretty positive, anyway. Even if Obama himself isn't. :p
(Unless, I guess, the value of the new publicity he's getting for his book exceeds the potential loss; he is a statistician, after all)
 
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Another 170K jobs added this month. Revisions upward for both Sept and August. That sound of crying you hear is from Romney campaign operatives....
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
In today's politics? About as close as you can get to one.
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Historically, elections (normalized to 538 votes) has had an average margin of victory of 247 (with a few exclusions: All elections 1800 and earlier and the 1824 election).
The last ten have averaged 248.
The last five have averaged 131.

In fact, only seven elections have had a normalized margin 70 or less (13.7%).
 
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I'm curious why Romney doesn't run for anything in Missouri.

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dxmnkd316 said:
Historically, elections (normalized to 538 votes) has had an average margin of victory of 247 (with a few exclusions: All elections 1800 and earlier and the 1824 election).
The last ten have averaged 248.
The last five have averaged 131.

In fact, only seven elections have had a normalized margin 70 or less (13.7%).
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So historically speaking, even if Nathan Silver's wettest dreams all came true, the election would still be pretty "close" in comparison. Interesting.
 
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Jane Edmonds worked for Gov. Mitt Romney in Massachusetts as cabinet member. She considers herself a liberal Democrat (she says so in the excerpt below).

She wrote an essay for CNN:


I became one of the 10 women named to top policy-making posts in the early months of Gov. Mitt Romney's administration in Massachusetts. There, I headed up the Department of Workforce Development. During Gov. Romney's tenure, our state led the nation in terms of the ratio of women holding top spots in the administration, and to this day, that's something about which I am incredibly proud to have been a part of.

And so, as I've heard criticism about Gov. Romney's admirable record of recruiting women to serve in his administration, I feel compelled to speak out about the Mitt Romney I know.

I remember meeting him for the first time. I was struck by his authenticity, and over the years that I worked with him, I saw the accuracy of my first impression. Gov. Romney's overriding commitment was not to self-promotion -- as is so often the case for politicians -- but for the people he served, and the people he served with. He believes in empowering women. I would know, because I was one of those women he recruited and respected.

Today, there are more than 5 million women around this country -- mothers, daughters, breadwinners -- who are unemployed. They are not only robbed of their dignity and their self-respect; they are also robbed of the results of decades of hard work. More women are in poverty -- 25.7 million -- than at any time in our nation's history.

And for too many young people, the doors of opportunity remain closed shut by these tough economic circumstances. Half of recent college graduates are either jobless or underemployed. The cost of college has continued to rise in the last four years and student loan debt stands at record levels.

When Mitt Romney was governor, he worked with a legislature that was 87% Democratic to get things done. And to me, that really meant something: I consider myself a liberal Democrat. For him, it wasn't about who you were, it was about the quality of your ideas. That's how he improved the economy and balanced the budget, but that's not all he accomplished. Gov. Romney also initiated the John and Abigail Adams Scholarship to cover the cost of college at public institutions of higher education in the state for deserving high school students based on academic merit.

During his time as governor, Massachusetts maintained its schools' ranking as first in the nation.

Opportunity. Empowerment. That's what Mitt Romney has stood for while in politics and in business, and that's what matters to women. In government, he created opportunities for young people to attend college. In business, he took a chance on people to allow their dreams to flourish into realities.
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yeah, a war on women...except for the women who've actually met him or worked with him.

meanwhile, the patronizing tone of the current administration toward women: you are powerless unless you rely on big government. not very liberating. :(
 
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Jane Edmonds worked for Gov. Mitt Romney in Massachusetts as cabinet member. She considers herself a liberal Democrat (she says so in the excerpt below).

She wrote an essay for CNN:




yeah, a war on women...except for the women who've actually met him or worked with him.

meanwhile, the patronizing tone of the current administration toward women: you are powerless unless you rely on big government. not very liberating. :(
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We'll know in a few days whether Obama's and the media's negative campaign pays off for him. There is the old saying that if you say something over and over, some people will begin the believe it.
 
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FreshFish said:
yeah, a war on women...except for the women who've actually met him or worked with him.

meanwhile, the patronizing tone of the current administration toward women: you are powerless unless you rely on big government. not very liberating. :(
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Of course, you miss the point, but it only helps to prop up your angle if you miss the point.

Mitt is an empty suit. Nobody thinks that he will drive a "war on women." What people fear is that he will simply sign anything that the wackadoos in congress get passed and put on his desk.

The evidence shows that at least the House will continue to attempt to enact laws that restrict a women's right to choose (not to mention whatever else they want to stick their noses into).

When has Mitt stood up to anyone in his party? Why should we believe that he ever will?

Obama is an effective guard against anything crazy getting passed.


Your last statement about relying on "big government" is a nice try at spin. If abortion becomes illegal or personhood legislation is enacted, women will in fact be powerless against "BIG government." It will be the law and that is what could be at stake in this election.

Luckily, a lot of women (and men) are smart enough to see through that type of spin. Are you?
 
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We'll know in a few days whether Obama's and the media's negative campaign pays off for him. There is the old saying that if you say something over and over, some people will begin the believe it.
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Yeah, FOX News built an empire on that premise. As did Rush and all the other clowns. Laughing all the way to the bank on the backs of the lemmings.
 
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Yeah, FOX News built an empire on that premise. As did Rush and all the other clowns. Laughing all the way to the bank on the backs of the lemmings.
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There are offenders on both sides of the media aisle. The liberal side just has numbers on their side. That's all. Of course in your eyes there's only one side offending.
 
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Bob Gray said:
There are offenders on both sides of the media aisle. The liberal side just has numbers on their side. That's all. Of course in your eyes there's only one side offending.
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Thought you had me on ignore?

Trying to see in your statement below where you acknowledge that both sides are doing anything...


"We'll know in a few days whether Obama's and the media's negative campaign pays off for him. There is the old saying that if you say something over and over, some people will begin the believe it."


We'll see the same thing apparently as to whether Mitten's lies in Ohio pay off, right?

The women's rights issues are based upon actual, plausible outcomes. The Romney lies are just lies. He knows it, you know it, but the ends justify the means.
 
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What is the point? There was no adverse effect from this before the storm and now they've relaxed the restrictions. Seems like common sense to me.

What are we supposed to see here or be outraged about?
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Why even have the economy-destroying policies in the first place?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Why even have the economy-destroying policies in the first place?
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Sure. Abolish the EPA. Have you seen how dirty it is over in China? Is that what you want? There are stories of us shipping our electronic garbage over there and all the waste ending up in their drinking water. The air was so dirty they had to shutdown certain plants during the Olympic games.

Not only that but most scientists agree that our climate change that is causing these catastrophic weather events is partially man-made.

But, hey, let's stop trying to be good stewards of the planet. The massive losses we've incurred from natural disasters and man-made (Japan, and the Gulf) haven't cost us anything.
 
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