2012 Presidential Election 5: Election Day Countdown

[geezer]

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Sure. Abolish the EPA. Have you seen how dirty it is over in China? Is that what you want? There are stories of us shipping our electronic garbage over there and all the waste ending up in their drinking water. The air was so dirty they had to shutdown certain plants during the Olympic games.

Not only that but most scientists agree that our climate change that is causing these catastrophic weather events is partially man-made.

But, hey, let's stop trying to be good stewards of the planet. The massive losses we've incurred from natural disasters and man-made (Japan, and the Gulf) haven't cost us anything.

Your point is well taken, except the part in bold. When well-meaning people make the mistake of attributing "weather" to climate change, it costs the whole movement boatloads of credibility. The facts show that we are actually in the longest drought without a category 3-plus hurricane in recorded history: We are currently having LESS extreme weather events than at any time in our recorded history of such events. So to lump "extreme weather events" in with global warming, while tempting and very common in the media at the moment, does a disservice to the alarmists who want to be taken seriously.

(I think the reason it feels like we are having more hurricanes and etc. to so many people is simply because the reporting of such events is much more immediate and thorough than in past generations. It doesn't mean they didn't happen before)

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Pretty much everyone that is posting in this thread is vehemently partisan one way or the other. It's the nature of the beast in today's politics. It's amazing how divided and stubborn both parties are. Hopefully that changes sooner than later, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

It'll probably take another war of northern aggression to solve it.

 

[FreshFish]

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Certainly civility can go a long way. What's interesting is that usually even the candidates don't have the visceral hatred that many of the partisans have.

That seems true on the Supreme Court as well. Supposedly Scalia and Ginsberg are best buddies.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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That seems true on the Supreme Court as well. Supposedly Scalia and Ginsberg are best buddies.

This is very true. My constitutional law professor is very good friends with Scalia (brings him to the University on occasion, and used to work with Scalia under Nixon), and those two guys disagree on just about everything.

 

[streaker]

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It'll probably take another war of northern aggression to solve it.

I guess the contributors of this thread are pretty representative of America then. 50/50.

I can see reaching civil consensus on issues like the economy and labor, manufacturing and maybe even foreign policy. I think the root of separation stems from the great divide on social and moral issues. In the end, though, like many other elections, this one will come down to what a majority of Americans see as the most important issues: jobs and the economy.

 

[Bob Gray]

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This is very true. My constitutional law professor is very good friends with Scalia (brings him to the University on occasion, and used to work with Scalia under Nixon), and those two guys disagree on just about everything.

I think you tend to see that in legal circles more than political circles. You used to hear about Democrats and Republicans arguing with each other in Congress during the day, and then having dinner as friends that evening. But, you don't hear about that happening anymore. If it does, it's exceedingly rare. I saw an article the other day about how on dating websites, they are finding that one of the big dividing lines in being willing to date someone else is whether they have the same political affiliation. Our nation loses something when we're so radically divided and have no room to get along with the other side.

 

[streaker]

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I think you tend to see that in legal circles more than political circles. You used to hear about Democrats and Republicans arguing with each other in Congress during the day, and then having dinner as friends that evening. But, you don't hear about that happening anymore. If it does, it's exceedingly rare. I saw an article the other day about how on dating websites, they are finding that one of the big dividing lines in being willing to date someone else is whether they have the same political affiliation. Our nation loses something when we're so radically divided and have no room to get along with the other side.

Races are divided amongst themselves let alone between other races when it comes to faith and political viewpoints. For example, last night I watched a segment of a show that had two Black Baptist ministers argueing against the video of a Black Minister (undetermined Christian faith, but assumed to be a similar church) who was encouraging his followers to leave behind the message of the Democrats who are leading them down the path of suppression and away from the tenets of the faith that they are suppose to believe in. The two other ministers argued that their fellow minister was just a mouthpiece for the right and that he didn't represent their faith at all. Interesting intermingling of religious belief, political affiliation and race (being that B.O. is Black) and how people are bucketed by each of those categories.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Races are divided amongst themselves let alone between other races when it comes to faith and political viewpoints. For example, last night I watched a segment of a show that had two Black Baptist ministers argueing against the video of a Black Minister (undetermined Christian faith, but assumed to be a similar church) who was encouraging his followers to leave behind the message of the Democrats who are leading them down the path of suppression and away from the tenets of the faith that they are suppose to believe in. The two other ministers argued that their fellow minister was just a mouthpiece for the right and that he didn't represent their faith at all. Interesting intermingling of religious belief, political affiliation and race (being that B.O. is Black) and how people are bucketed by each of those categories.

Now, I think you may understand why I see political parties as no different than religion. Also why I call Obama "the messiah dictator". Prophets and messiahs come around that the people gravitate to, and there are always quarrels about which religion is better. Eventually, though, there can be only one. He is Duncan Macleod, the Hig- oh wait.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Just returned from filling out my absentee ballot at the village hall.

Don't feel good about it. As much as I dislike every single candidate on there, I probably should've just gone for the "statement" vote and gone libertarian instead of choosing the lesser of two evils in Obama/Romney. (Probably should've done the same in the senate vote I cast, but I didn't)

 

[MinnFan]

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I guess the contributors of this thread are pretty representative of America then. 50/50.

I can see reaching civil consensus on issues like the economy and labor, manufacturing and maybe even foreign policy. I think the root of separation stems from the great divide on social and moral issues. In the end, though, like many other elections, this one will come down to what a majority of Americans see as the most important issues: jobs and the economy.

This is why I firmly believe that those issues should be left up to the states. Until we take that power away from Washington we will continue to see deepening divisions in congress.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I guess the contributors of this thread are pretty representative of America then. 50/50.

I can see reaching civil consensus on issues like the economy and labor, manufacturing and maybe even foreign policy. I think the root of separation stems from the great divide on social and moral issues. In the end, though, like many other elections, this one will come down to what a majority of Americans see as the most important issues: jobs and the economy.

There's only one problem with this, is that many of these decisions on which you believe agreement can be reached are made based upon a stem of social and moral values. For instance, some people don't buy Japanese or European-branded vehicles. There are also some that believe employees in this country should be forced to charge a minimum amount for their services. Some also believe that we should have a commodity-based currency. It's also based upon someone's morals.

 

[Old Pio]

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Another 170K jobs added this month. Revisions upward for both Sept and August. That sound of crying you hear is from Romney campaign operatives....

You're right. 7.9% unemployment is definitely something to braq about.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Just returned from filling out my absentee ballot at the village hall.

Don't feel good about it. As much as I dislike every single candidate on there, I probably should've just gone for the "statement" vote and gone libertarian instead of choosing the lesser of two evils in Obama/Romney. (Probably should've done the same in the senate vote I cast, but I didn't)

I'm sorry you feel that way. I know I regretted my vote in 2008 for the same reason. At least, regardless of who you chose, you made your voice heard.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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You're right. 7.9% unemployment is definitely something to braq about.

Not to mention, how many of those, do you think, are temporary retail jobs in anticipation of the holiday season?

 

[Old Pio]

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Of course, you miss the point, but it only helps to prop up your angle if you miss the point.

Mitt is an empty suit. Nobody thinks that he will drive a "war on women." What people fear is that he will simply sign anything that the wackadoos in congress get passed and put on his desk.

The evidence shows that at least the House will continue to attempt to enact laws that restrict a women's right to choose (not to mention whatever else they want to stick their noses into).

When has Mitt stood up to anyone in his party? Why should we believe that he ever will?

Obama is an effective guard against anything crazy getting passed.


Your last statement about relying on "big government" is a nice try at spin. If abortion becomes illegal or personhood legislation is enacted, women will in fact be powerless against "BIG government." It will be the law and that is what could be at stake in this election.

Luckily, a lot of women (and men) are smart enough to see through that type of spin. Are you?

While you're entirely wrong (as customary) you reminded me of a famous story still told in Louisiana. When Huey Long went to the Senate, he was replaced as governor by O. K. Allen. Allen, of course, merely did what Huey told him to do. He was supposedly so compliant, the story goes, that one day a leaf blew in the window and landed on his desk--and he signed it.

 

[manurespreader]

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Your point is well taken, except the part in bold. When well-meaning people make the mistake of attributing "weather" to climate change, it costs the whole movement boatloads of credibility. The facts show that we are actually in the longest drought without a category 3-plus hurricane in recorded history: We are currently having LESS extreme weather events than at any time in our recorded history of such events. So to lump "extreme weather events" in with global warming, while tempting and very common in the media at the moment, does a disservice to the alarmists who want to be taken seriously.

(I think the reason it feels like we are having more hurricanes and etc. to so many people is simply because the reporting of such events is much more immediate and thorough than in past generations. It doesn't mean they didn't happen before)

I think you are kind of confusing climate change with the causes of climate change. I deal with the weather every day and have for many years. I can say unequivocally that storms are bigger now, both winter and summer, that overall we have more tornado's, more blizzards, more droughts than ever. There is just a ton more energy in the atmosphere and it's going somewhere. For instance thunderstorms over 40,000 ft used to be rare in the more northern latitudes, but now we regularly get storms over 50,000 ft in the Boston area.It takes a ton more energy to make a 50,000 ft storm vs a 40,000 ft one, and the air in the Northern US is much more stable, so ....

I don't know about the cause for sure, but the effect is the same if you ask me.
I think by ignoring science here we are sticking our heads in the sand and hoping it goes away.

 

[Old Pio]

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Yes, I'm in the pocket for Obama. I'm like Obama girl except I don't have a vagina.

I'll need photos to verify that. Or at least a signed statment from a license physician.

 

[Rover]

Not to mention, how many of those, do you think, are temporary retail jobs in anticipation of the holiday season?

I'm amused by this logic. People are hiring for Christmas in October? I know the season starts earlier, but this is pretty laughable. Especially considering the trend towards shopping on line....

OP, yet another 170K jobs added is proof we've finally dug ourselves out of the pit that was the Bush Administration. No point in going back to those policies now, is there?

 

[Old Pio]

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Yeah, FOX News built an empire on that premise. As did Rush and all the other clowns. Laughing all the way to the bank on the backs of the lemmings.

I seem to recall, amid much fanfare, the creation of a radio network that was really going to stick it to conservative talkers. And appeal to libstain "lemmings." It collapsed. Terrible ratings. And funding shenanigans.

Here's a little secret: radio station owners, while probablly more conservative than not, are primarily interested in generating the biggest possible audience for their stations. That translates into higher rates for spots. That's the overriding concern. And if they figure progamming Mitch Miller and bowling scores will generate a bigger audience than any of the despired conwserative talkers, then we all better get ready for "Beer Barrel Polka" 24/7.

 

[Old Pio]

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I'm amused by this logic. People are hiring for Christmas in October? I know the season starts earlier, but this is pretty laughable. Especially considering the trend towards shopping on line....

OP, yet another 170K jobs added is proof we've finally dug ourselves out of the pit that was the Bush Administration. No point in going back to those policies now, is there?

Do I have to pull the little ring on the back of your head to get more Obama bon mots?