2012 Elections Part I: All Politics is Yokel

[Old Pio]

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I'm familiar enough with Bachmann to know she's proof there is at least one exception to your point. Personally I don't believe for a minute she's the sole exception. There has yet to be invented an instrument that can measure my disregard for the GOP verbal dung. Different candidates, different cycles have proven exceptions to your point as well. I have doubts those general circumstances are significantly changed for the current campaign. I'm glad you're not listening to Bachmann. That's truly wasting one's time in any search for a viable candidate for the Presidency regardless of any political philosophy affiliation.

Were you going for irony, or something? Yeah, Bachmann's a waste of time, no doubt. But then, so were Jesse Ventura and Al Franken

 

[brookyone]

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Were you going for irony, or something? Yeah, Bachmann's a waste of time, no doubt. But then, so were Jesse Ventura and Al Franken

I can't recall either Jesse or Al running for Pres. but I wouldn't agree either was a waste of time for the offices they held / hold on a level anywhere near the degree of Bachmann. Neither were ever as delusional as Bachmann. I voted for both and would again. I suspect you're not gonna care for that position.

 

[Old Pio]

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I can't recall either Jesse or Al running for Pres. but I wouldn't agree either was a waste of time for the offices they held / hold on a level anywhere near the degree of Bachmann. Neither were ever as delusional as Bachmann. I voted for both and would again. I suspect you're not gonna care for that position.

Oh, were we only talking about presidential candidates you don't like? Sorry. That's like skipping over double dog dare, isn't it? I'll go you one better, I voted for Nixon twice and would again. He's tanned, rested and ready. Jesse, especially, should bring pride to all Minnesotans, now that he's turned his considerable intellect to the question of who "really" killed JFK. "That sounds suspicious to me."

 

[brookyone]

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Oh, were we only talking about presidential candidates you don't like? Sorry.

Well, I was. Just one primarily...that is I was mainly speaking only to Bachmann. For 50 plus years I've resided in the district that elected her to represent them. It's particularly disturbing and embarrassing for me. Lot of surprisingly dimwitted locals support her vigorously based on the obvious qualification and discerning criteria that she's from their hometown.

That's like skipping over double dog dare, isn't it?

I'm apparently out of touch with the meaning of this, sorry. I'm too old to remember what I even meant when I used the double dog dare phrase on the playground.

I'll go you one better, I voted for Nixon twice and would again. He's tanned, rested and ready. Jesse, especially, should bring pride to all Minnesotans, now that he's turned his considerable intellect to the question of who "really" killed JFK. "That sounds suspicious to me."

I think Nixon's chances in the next Presidential election are nearly equal to those of Jesse or Al.

 

[Old Pio]

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Well, I was. Just one primarily...that is I was mainly speaking only to Bachmann. For 50 plus years I've resided in the district that elected her to represent them. It's particularly disturbing and embarrassing for me. Lot of surprisingly dimwitted locals support her vigorously based on the obvious qualification and discerning criteria that she's from their hometown.


I'm apparently out of touch with the meaning of this, sorry. I'm too old to remember what I even meant when I used the double dog dare phrase on the playground.


I think Nixon's chances in the next Presidential election are nearly equal to those of Jesse or Al.

Is it possible you're the one American who hasn't memorized the entire script to "A Christmas Story?" The double dog dare reference is to the scene where Flick winds up touching his tongue to the flag pole. And they're daring one another to do it and one of them skips over the double dog dare and goes right for the throat with the triple dog dare. Then poor Flick's tongue does, in fact, get stuck to the pole but his buddies desert him "because the bell rang." After recess, when the teacher asks where Flick is Ralphie thinks to himself "Flick. Flick who?"

I've been around a while, too, and I don't remember any of my friends using that whole "dare" vocabulary either. But I do remember that scene in "A Christmas Story." I remember all the scenes, actually.

 

[brookyone]

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Is it possible you're the one American who hasn't memorized the entire script to "A Christmas Story?"

It's possible. I'm guilty. But the only America...one stinkin' American...me? Quite a distinction. I should probably be ashamed. I do have kind of an aversion to most Christmas movies.

 

[Old Pio]

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It's possible. I'm guilty. But the only America...one stinkin' American...me? Quite a distinction. I should probably be ashamed. I do have kind of an aversion to most Christmas movies.

One cable network (TBS?) runs the movie all day long Christmas day. Check it out, I think you'll find it charming and amusing. Set in the post war 40's in Cleveland, it deals with a boy named Ralphie and his mania to get a Red Ryder bb gun for Christmas. And there are lots of little side stories (like Flick getting his tongue stuck on the flag pole) that are all very clever. This was a little film with no major stars, the best known cast member is Darren McGavin, who plays Ralphie's dad. But somehow it has become an instant classic, as I say, one cable network running it all day long on Christmas day. Frankly, I can't imagine you not liking it or at least being charmed by it.

On the other hand, if you have an "aversion" to Christmas movies, perhaps charm won't be enough.

 

[leswp1]

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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_375be498-c78c-11e0-b7eb-0019bb30f31a.html

Not sure if this was posted in here already. The actual quotes were nothing like the soundbites I saw. I thought the question asked and the response was interesting. Never heard the biblical submission thing translated conceptually into meaning respecting one another before. Heard it as the person in power is in control but should be careful of the power but that doesn't negate the submissive part.

 

[Foxton]

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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_375be498-c78c-11e0-b7eb-0019bb30f31a.html

Not sure if this was posted in here already. The actual quotes were nothing like the soundbites I saw. I thought the question asked and the response was interesting. Never heard the biblical submission thing translated conceptually into meaning respecting one another before. Heard it as the person in power is in control but should be careful of the power but that doesn't negate the submissive part.

I posted the video of it and we all got a good laugh. You can see the look on her face as she struggles to find a way to weasel her way out of that statement. I honestly expect her to bring up how awesome she is because she submits to her husband if she's around a bunch of fundies before her campaign is over. People like this *******.

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[5mn_Major]

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A bit more about the Texas model from Texasinsider.org:

Texas is where one strain of theory of budgeting — the belief that you should never raise taxes under any circumstances, that you can always balance the budget by cutting wasteful spending — has been implemented most completely. If the theory can’t make it there, it can’t make it anywhere.

Debt owed by the state of Texas has doubled during Perry’s tenure as governor; the state’s per-capita debt is worse than California’s. And this year, Texas lawmakers wrestled with a budget shortfall that Associated Press called “one of the worst in the nation.” Perry’s budget relied heavily on federal stimulus funds to plug a massive 2010 budget deficit. The budget finally passed this year cut some $4 billion out of state support for public education and is expected to result in tens of thousands of teacher layoffs.

Meanwhile, Texas ranks at or near the bottom of many indicators of individual and community health. It is worst in the country in the percentage of children with health insurance and pregnant women receiving early prenatal care. It has the highest percentage of workers earning at or below the minimum wage. It has the lowest percentage of adults with a high school diploma. It is worst for known carcinogens released into the air and among the worst for toxic pollution overall.

 

[leswp1]

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A bit more about the Texas model from Texasinsider.org:

Texas is where one strain of theory of budgeting — the belief that you should never raise taxes under any circumstances, that you can always balance the budget by cutting wasteful spending — has been implemented most completely. If the theory can’t make it there, it can’t make it anywhere.

Debt owed by the state of Texas has doubled during Perry’s tenure as governor; the state’s per-capita debt is worse than California’s. And this year, Texas lawmakers wrestled with a budget shortfall that Associated Press called “one of the worst in the nation.” Perry’s budget relied heavily on federal stimulus funds to plug a massive 2010 budget deficit. The budget finally passed this year cut some $4 billion out of state support for public education and is expected to result in tens of thousands of teacher layoffs.

Meanwhile, Texas ranks at or near the bottom of many indicators of individual and community health. It is worst in the country in the percentage of children with health insurance and pregnant women receiving early prenatal care. It has the highest percentage of workers earning at or below the minimum wage. It has the lowest percentage of adults with a high school diploma. It is worst for known carcinogens released into the air and among the worst for toxic pollution overall.

This explains a lot

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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The budget finally passed this year cut some $4 billion out of state support for public education and is expected to result in tens of thousands of teacher layoffs.

Awesome. And since we all know that education is a waste of money that's the place to cut. After all, they just go out and hire everything but a teacher to do God knows what.

 

[unofan]

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Awesome. And since we all know that education is a waste of money that's the place to cut. After all, they just go out and hire everything but a teacher to do God knows what.

Considering Texas is already among the cheapest states when spending on education, I agree with your point that they shouldn't be cutting it further...

That said, education is to state budgets what national defense, social security, and medicare combined are to the federal budget. Education (K-12 and higher ed combined) usually makes up ~50% of the typical state budget (prisons usually take up another quarter or so). If you're running a deficit, and the populace won't let you raise taxes, education will have to be hit.

 

[Bill]

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A bit more about the Texas model from Texasinsider.org:

Texas is where one strain of theory of budgeting — the belief that you should never raise taxes under any circumstances, that you can always balance the budget by cutting wasteful spending — has been implemented most completely. If the theory can’t make it there, it can’t make it anywhere.

Debt owed by the state of Texas has doubled during Perry’s tenure as governor; the state’s per-capita debt is worse than California’s. And this year, Texas lawmakers wrestled with a budget shortfall that Associated Press called “one of the worst in the nation.” Perry’s budget relied heavily on federal stimulus funds to plug a massive 2010 budget deficit. The budget finally passed this year cut some $4 billion out of state support for public education and is expected to result in tens of thousands of teacher layoffs.

Meanwhile, Texas ranks at or near the bottom of many indicators of individual and community health. It is worst in the country in the percentage of children with health insurance and pregnant women receiving early prenatal care. It has the highest percentage of workers earning at or below the minimum wage. It has the lowest percentage of adults with a high school diploma. It is worst for known carcinogens released into the air and among the worst for toxic pollution overall.

To be fair, that info is from Paul Krugman and was reported in the TexasInsider. Krugman's one of those "keep increasing spending" Keynesian economists. That's not working out too well for us.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Considering Texas is already among the cheapest states when spending on education, I agree with your point that they shouldn't be cutting it further...

That said, education is to state budgets what national defense, social security, and medicare combined are to the federal budget. Education (K-12 and higher ed combined) usually makes up ~50% of the typical state budget (prisons usually take up another quarter or so). If you're running a deficit, and the populace won't let you raise taxes, education will have to be hit.

They could slash it more. Maybe they are exempt from NCLB? How could they possibly be keeping schools open with that Federal Law in place and such a horrible grad rate? Perry went to Texas A&M so I'm sure he has a good solution.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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To be fair, that info is from Paul Krugman and was reported in the TexasInsider. Krugman's one of those "keep increasing spending" Keynesian economists. That's not working out too well for us.

You have to pick one or the other, not both. Currently we are doing supply side and demand side and that's why we have a 15% revenue stream and a 25% spending stream. Obama is not doing Keynesian the way it's supposed to be done, we still have ALL the Bush Reaganomics policies in place.

 

[Old Pio]

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A bit more about the Texas model from Texasinsider.org:

Texas is where one strain of theory of budgeting — the belief that you should never raise taxes under any circumstances, that you can always balance the budget by cutting wasteful spending — has been implemented most completely. If the theory can’t make it there, it can’t make it anywhere.

Debt owed by the state of Texas has doubled during Perry’s tenure as governor; the state’s per-capita debt is worse than California’s. And this year, Texas lawmakers wrestled with a budget shortfall that Associated Press called “one of the worst in the nation.” Perry’s budget relied heavily on federal stimulus funds to plug a massive 2010 budget deficit. The budget finally passed this year cut some $4 billion out of state support for public education and is expected to result in tens of thousands of teacher layoffs.

Meanwhile, Texas ranks at or near the bottom of many indicators of individual and community health. It is worst in the country in the percentage of children with health insurance and pregnant women receiving early prenatal care. It has the highest percentage of workers earning at or below the minimum wage. It has the lowest percentage of adults with a high school diploma. It is worst for known carcinogens released into the air and among the worst for toxic pollution overall.

Plus, they fart alot in Texas. Hard to understand, given the Orwellian nature of life there, why all those (legal) people keep moving there.

 

[Old Pio]

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They could slash it more. Maybe they are exempt from NCLB? How could they possibly be keeping schools open with that Federal Law in place and such a horrible grad rate? Perry went to Texas A&M so I'm sure he has a good solution.

I love how litards, who wouldn't know an Aggie from an aglet, are now experts on how awful Texas A&M is, and how since Perry went there, that explains how awful life in Texas is. Don't you guys ever get tired of hearing yourselves snark? Don't you ever consider how hypocritical you are with your pompous bigotry toward a state most of you have no personal knowledge of?

I've told my fair share of Aggie jokes over the years. And sometimes they aren't jokes. Back in the 80's, when SMU was a national power, they were playing in College Station. And after a score, the SMU cheerleaders formed those letters on the hallowed Astro turf of Kyle Field. One of the Aggie Nazi Youth Corps members, in full uniform, drew his saber threatening to skewer those SMU kids if they didn't get off that sacred Astro turf. Oh yeah, there's much to poke fun of in Agglieland. They've got more traditions than Carter has pills.

 

[Rover]

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I think of Texas as more of a "you get what you pay for" kinda state. Lower costs but lower services. Some people are all about the former, so they'll be all over a Perry candidacy. This is different than say Florida, which is a high cost low service state. What I'm curious about is how The Mittster counters. While Mass currently has a lower unemployment rate than Texas (maybe 7.6% compared to 8.2 or something like that) Romney left office 5 years ago so can he try to take credit??? I'm sure Mass has a better education system but I'm not sure GOP primary voters really care all that much about that. Neither one has any foreign policy/military chops. Romney's been able to skirt the Romneycare issue so far, but I have a feeling that's going to end real soon.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Don't you ever consider how hypocritical you are with your pompous bigotry toward a state most of you have no personal knowledge of?

Did you read today's postings?

Meanwhile, Texas ranks at or near the bottom of many indicators of individual and community health. It is worst in the country in the percentage of children with health insurance and pregnant women receiving early prenatal care. It has the highest percentage of workers earning at or below the minimum wage. It has the lowest percentage of adults with a high school diploma. It is worst for known carcinogens released into the air and among the worst for toxic pollution overall.

Doesn't sound like a place I'd like to live. Must be paradise to you though.