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2012 Elections Part I: All Politics is Yokel

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Bob Gray said:
Kepler stepped right into that one!
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Hey, you're assuming I disagree. Obama was for the most part clear of associations with the 2000-2008 implosion -- that helped him a lot.

When times are bad, the best thing to have is no record to have to defend. The attack on Bachmann was interesting, since according to the twisted logic of the Tea Party she voted "right" on every issue, yet she was still attacked for being "ineffective." That demonstrates you just can't win.
 
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Foxton said:
What's he going to do? Pray for boils?
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This has the potential to be the fall for Perry. From my experience, the midwest typically isn't too thrilled with sensational treason talks and threats aimed at govt officials. And if he loses the midwest, its doubtful he can win the election. His smart play is to stay positive. Getting sucked into verbally extreme and negative dialog with someone like Bachmann (who is typical midwestern in birthplace only)...could be a serious trap.

Edit: Interesting source for more criticism on Perry's aggressive position has come from the ex Bush crowd:

Tony Fratto, former spokesman for President George W. Bush, said on his Twitter account that the comments were "inappropriate and unpresidential."

Ex-Bush adviser and Fox News analyst Karl Rove echoed the complaint, calling Perry's remarks "very unfortunate."

In response, Perry said "I tell people, I say, one of the quickest ways you can tell the difference is, you know, he's a Yale graduate, I'm a Texas A&M graduate."
 
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This nomination has every indication of being a new low in pandering. If Perry and Bachmann can't come to some sort of a deal early on about not completely destroying one another, whoever comes out of it will be badly scarred. Romney, on the other hand, can probably improve his (IMHO, low) chances for a nomination just by taking the high road and being rational, but then in the general the social right (not Christian enough) and the Tea Party (he's bought and paid for by Wall Street) are going to be a very hard sell.

BTW, does anybody believe there is any chance at all for someone other than Perry, Romney or Bachmann to win the nomination?
 
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5mn_Major said:
Tony Fratto, former spokesman for President George W. Bush, said on his Twitter account that the comments were "inappropriate and unpresidential."

Ex-Bush adviser and Fox News analyst Karl Rove echoed the complaint, calling Perry's remarks "very unfortunate."

In response, Perry said "I tell people, I say, one of the quickest ways you can tell the difference is, you know, he's a Yale graduate, I'm a Texas A&M graduate."
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I'm really surprised by this. In terms of policy, Perry is how Dubya governed -- strip away all the "compassionate conservatism" nonsense and you have Perry's sincere Neoconservatism and, depending on who you believe, either legitimate or electoral hardcore social conservatism. The only reason for Bush people to undercut Perry would be purely spiteful since he doesn't come from La Familia.
 
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Perry's ruining Bachmann's chances at getting the nod. He seems to be the perfect Republican at this point.Texan, Tea Party, Small Government, Government is the problem, get rid of government, I love Texas, pray away the gay, etc. etc. etc.

It's going to be a fun race. I imagine Barack will lose though no matter what the Repubs do to self destruct racing to the fringe right.
 
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Kepler said:
BTW, does anybody believe there is any chance at all for someone other than Perry, Romney or <strike>Bachmann</strike> to win the nomination?
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Not of those who are currently running. Though, unrelated, I do think it might be entertaining to kick a few beers back with Herman Cain.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
...I imagine Barack will lose though no matter what the Repubs do to self destruct racing to the fringe right...
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This is what I thought in 2004 about Bush. If we get out of wars and there are any signs of life in the economy, he'll win again surprisingly easily.
 
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I was thinking this would be Perry's nomination to lose, but he really needs to be careful with these treason comments regarding the Fed. Not because no more than 5% of the American public knows who Bernanke is, but because the corporate interests that bankroll the GOP are not going to get behind a loose cannon. Not sure what he was thinking, nor why he wouldn't walk back his comments, but one of his handlers needs to tell him that there's a reason big business ain't contributing to fellow Texan Ron Paul's campaign. Right now Perry's biggest weakness is he's getting in late and needs to organize from scratch. That takes money, and with Teabaggers having a champion in Bachmann, and loons with Paul, he and The Mittster are competing for the same donors not based in Utah. I don't think there's much doubt Romney would look after corporate interests. If Perry goes to the right of Bachmann on economic issues the biggest beneficiary is either going to be Romney or Obama.
 
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sagard said:
This is what I thought in 2004 about Bush. If we get out of wars and there are any signs of life in the economy, he'll win again surprisingly easily.
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No, Bush didn't win reelection easily. He needed the Swift Boaters to do it. There are no ways you can "swift boat" a Republican.

but he really needs to be careful with these treason comments
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Really, Rover? You think a Republican has to be careful? I just don't see it.
 
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Rover said:
Not because no more than 5% of the American public knows who Bernanke is, but because the corporate interests that bankroll the GOP are not going to get behind a loose cannon. Not sure what he was thinking, nor why he wouldn't walk back his comments, but one of his handlers needs to tell him that there's a reason big business ain't contributing to fellow Texan Ron Paul's campaign.
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Good call. This is also a big deal because the pro business side of the party can potentially go from suspicious to distain. And that alone could make the difference.

ScoobyDoo said:
Perry's ruining Bachmann's chances at getting the nod.
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And thats where this thing goes from a nice set up for Perry last week...to a nice setup for a verbal war. Will Bachmann make a deal when it will mean she loses? Will Perry back down in the face of a Bachmann style onslaught?
 
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Also, the business wing of the GOP, unlike the social conservatives, can just as easily back Obama if they don't like the GOP nominee. Even if they hedge their bets and split their support 50/50, that's going to be a problem. They don't have the same amount of loyalty. Until yesterday Perry gave off the aura of being able to unite both the social conservative and the corporate wings of the party ala GWB, something neither Bachmann nor Romney is able to do (the 3rd pillar, the military wing, is out of luck in this race). If Romney's campaign is worth its salt they've already got their narrative written, which is I'm the only sane guy out here who can run a national campaign and won't drive independents into the Democratic camp in droves. I'd also spend a lot of time lumping him in with fringe lunatics like Cain and Paul while he's at it.
 
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You can call them lunatics all you want. It won't stick. It didn't stick to Dubya and it won't stick to any of them.
 
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I agree that Perry's entrance makes things a lot tougher for Bachmann.
 
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down with Federal Reserve Bank. how about "I like Perry much" as a slogan.

I wonder when did Republicans and Democrats switch. Or was there always that bias between south and north democrats. I vaguely remember Johnson got the southern Democratic votes by hinting he wouldn't push for civil rights or something to that effect.

http://history-world.org/history_of_the_united_states5.htm
Mobilizing white votes, Democrats sought to regain control of state governments. "Redemption," the Democrats' term for their return to power, followed swiftly, as the Republican coalition collapsed.

Once in office, Democrats dismantled the changes that Republicans had imposed. They rewrote state constitutions, cut state budgets and social programs, and lowered taxes.

By the fall of 1876, Democrats had returned to power in all Southern states except South Carolina, Florida, and Louisiana. The presidential election that year ended in a dispute over the electoral votes of these three states
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Something like 50% of all cotton, mine, mills etc.. workers were children.

http://www.vahistorical.org/exhibits/hine_crusade.htm
Congress passed laws in 1916 and 1918, but the Supreme Court declared them unconstitutional because they infringed on states' rights and "denied children the freedom to contract work."
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In 1911 some two million children under sixteen years of age were a regular part of the American workforce. Many of them worked twelve hours a day or more.
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Tundra said:
down with Federal Reserve Bank. how about "I like Perry much" as a slogan.

I wonder when did Republicans and Democrats switch. Or was there always that bias between south and north democrats. I vaguely remember Johnson got the southern Democratic votes by hinting he wouldn't push for civil rights or something to that effect.

http://history-world.org/history_of_the_united_states5.htm


Something like 50% of all cotton, mine, mills etc.. workers were children.

http://www.vahistorical.org/exhibits/hine_crusade.htm



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The great Democratic coalition forged by FDR couldn't last forever. Every four years you had southern whites and northern big city African Americans voting for the same canddate. In '52, progressive Adlai Stevenson selected John Sparkman of Alabama to be on the ticket with him. Four years later, he chose Estes Kefauver of Tennessee. Both men were not exactly in the forefront of the battle to end Jim Crow, school segregaton and the denial of voting rights.
 
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I think Reagan nuked the Solid South for the Dems in 1980. Now, the south went (R) before that in times where the Dems didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell (1972 immediately comes to mind), but more often than not before that I think it went Democrat. Although Goldwater carrying a good chunk of the "old south" in 1964 is a bit of a head-scratcher....
 
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