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2012 Elections Part I: All Politics is Yokel

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Okay, I admit it. But in the spirit of coming clean, perhaps you'd admit your countless posts criticizing her....

Yes, I said she didn't hide from the medial spotlight and yes I said she came across as a bumbling fool on many an occasion but that doesn't equal, "countless posts criticizing her". Fact is she didn't go away and my point was for that she left herself open to criticism - fair or not.
 
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Yes, I said she didn't hide from the medial spotlight and yes I said she came across as a bumbling fool on many an occasion but that doesn't equal, "countless posts criticizing her". Fact is she didn't go away and my point was for that she left herself open to criticism - fair or not.

Of course. And for the umpteenth time I say some of that criticism is beyond the pale. I was looking up something else today and noticed a post of yours where you disavowed the instinct to hold her responsible for the Tucson shootings. It seems I may have judged you too harshly. I apologize.
 
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Of course. And for the umpteenth time I say some of that criticism is beyond the pale. I was looking up something else today and noticed a post of yours where you disavowed the instinct to hold her responsible for the Tucson shootings. It seems I may have judged you too harshly. I apologize.

No worries, sir. In the end I think we all have similar intentions (even if we disagree on the means) and often that gets lost in type. I respect your input whether we agree or not.
 
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Some tortured kids in Michele Bachmann's congressional district have killed themselves. And some of them were gay or thought to be so. And she and her husband have some unpopular views on homosexuality (his apparant belief in "praying away the gay" strikes me as ignorant nonsense). So where does that leave us? Why, it's her fault, naturally. Mother Jones doing it's best to "Sarah Palin" Bachmann. These lefty dip sticks, like so many of us, evidently are unaware of the difference between correlation and causation. Or, worse, they don't care if there's a difference. The ends justify the means. Bill Clinton posited a straight line between Oklahoma City and Rush Limbaugh, while many of our posters did the same between the shootings in Tucson and Sarah Palin. It's pretty certain liberal media will immediately condemn this mendacious smear. Not.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ate_plagued_by_teen_suicide_epidemic_rep.html
 
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Some tortured kids in Michele Bachmann's congressional district have killed themselves. And some of them were gay or thought to be so. And she and her husband have some unpopular views on homosexuality. His apparant belief in "praying away the gay" strikes me as ignorant nonsense. So where does that leave us? Why, it's her fault, naturally. Mother Jones doing it's best to "Sarah Palin" Bachmann. These lefty dip sticks, like so many of us, evidently are unaware of the difference between correlation and causation. Or, worse, they don't care if there's a difference. The ends justify the means. It's pretty certain liberal media will immediately condemn this mendacious smear. Not.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ate_plagued_by_teen_suicide_epidemic_rep.html

Overheard at a Bachmann fund raiser:


Michele Bachmann: Thank you, Thank you very much. I've always lived my life by the rule: "If you get, you give." For the last twenty years I've gotten from praying away the gay. I've gotten discipline, health, self-confidence, inner peace, everything that makes me what I am today. And today it's time for me to give back.
[audience cheers approvingly]
Michele Bachmann: It's my pleasure to announce my partnership with the greatest pray away the gay man I have ever known, my husband, Marcus Bachmann.
[more cheers]
Michele Bachmann: Together, we are about to open a chain of Pray Away the Gay Clinics, where young people can come and learn the same values I've learned: honesty, compassion, and fair play. Thank you all for coming, enjoy the rest of the fundraiser.
 
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Overheard at a Bachmann fund raiser:


Michele Bachmann: Thank you, Thank you very much. I've always lived my life by the rule: "If you get, you give." For the last twenty years I've gotten from praying away the gay. I've gotten discipline, health, self-confidence, inner peace, everything that makes me what I am today. And today it's time for me to give back.
[audience cheers approvingly]
Michele Bachmann: It's my pleasure to announce my partnership with the greatest pray away the gay man I have ever known, my husband, Marcus Bachmann.
[more cheers]
Michele Bachmann: Together, we are about to open a chain of Pray Away the Gay Clinics, where young people can come and learn the same values I've learned: honesty, compassion, and fair play. Thank you all for coming, enjoy the rest of the fundraiser.

Yeah, it's dumb. So what? How does that link her to the tragic suicides of teenagers? I'm guessing most teenagers haven't any idea who their congressman is, let alone what her positions are on various social issues. Now, if some of the suicides had been "treated" at those clinics, then we might have cause to connect her to the deaths. Otherwise, this is just a smear. And a cruel one at that.
 
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Some tortured kids in Michele Bachmann's congressional district have killed themselves. And some of them were gay or thought to be so. And she and her husband have some unpopular views on homosexuality (his apparant belief in "praying away the gay" strikes me as ignorant nonsense). So where does that leave us? Why, it's her fault, naturally. Mother Jones doing it's best to "Sarah Palin" Bachmann. These lefty dip sticks, like so many of us, evidently are unaware of the difference between correlation and causation. Or, worse, they don't care if there's a difference. The ends justify the means. Bill Clinton posited a straight line between Oklahoma City and Rush Limbaugh while many of our posters did the same between the shootings in Tucson and Sarah Palin. It's pretty certain liberal media will immediately condemn this mendacious smear. Not.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ate_plagued_by_teen_suicide_epidemic_rep.html
Perhaps you should read the actual article rather than a few small snippets. Since it points out the strong ties and some campaigns she's done with the people who are fighting to marginalize LGBT students and do **** like this. I see little difference between these ****** bags and the Westboro baptist church loons. But at least the Westboro clowns don't try and dance around the issue.
After Samantha's suicide and several others, students in Anoka-Hennepin schools participated in the Day of Silence. The event, organized by the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network, encourages kids to remain silent for the day in recognition of the effect of anti-gay bullying and harassment. In response, religious activists took up the "Day of Truth," an event championed by the "ex-gay ministry" Exodus International that's usually held the day before the Day of Silence. Students who participated were encouraged to engage their classmates in discussions of homosexuality from a Christian perspective.

Edit link because it doesn't work inline for some reason.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/michele-bachmann-teen-suicide?page=1
 
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Perhaps you should read the actual article rather than a few small snippets. Since it points out the strong ties and some campaigns she's done with the people who are fighting to marginalize LGBT students and do **** like this. I see little difference between these ****** bags and the Westboro baptist church loons. But at least the Westboro clowns don't try and dance around the issue.

You keep promising to send me that style guide, but you never do. I've read the article and it's still mendacious nonsense. It would be nice if there were any evidence that the activities of social conservatives "caused" these suicides, let alone that Bachmann had any connection with them. Oh yes, one boy who died attended the same high school she did. Let's take that to the grand jury. Are you ever anything other than a lefty windbag reactionary? You remind me of that exchange in Inherit the Wind where Frederick March says "I don't think about things I don't think about." And Spencer Tracy says: "Do you think about the things you do think about?"

Ask yourself this: are there gay suicides in "progressive" districts? And if there are, are they Michele Bachmann's fault, too? We all understand and generally reject your juvenile opinions on religion and your monomanical desire to make religion the cause of every bad thing that happens. Give it up, will ya. Or in the alternative, abuse yourself in private.
 
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It would be nice if there were any evidence that the activities of "social conservatives" "caused" these suicides, let alone that Bachmann had any connection with them.
The article pointed out specific policies that targeted LGBT students that directly enabled other students to harass them. With examples of times where faculty were just xtian enough to turn a blind eye to it.

Oh yes, one boy who died attended the same high school she did.
Nine students in two years have committed suicide or attempted it from a single school district that has been the target of groups she's involved with or supports.

Are you ever anything other than a lefty windbag reactionary? You remind me of that exchange in Inherit the Wind where Frederick March says "I don't think about things I don't think about." And Spencer Tracy says: "Do you think about the things you do think about?"
Reactionary? You're the one who brought it up. So you don't want anyone to respond? Or you don't want people to respond unless they fall in line with your opinion that apparently there is no connection what so ever between anti-LGBT policies, the harassment that was allowed to go on as a result, and an amount of suicides that warrant the area having a "suicide contagion" description.

Nice to know you're on duty, defending the ramparts of ultra leftyism. Keep up the good work. Ask yourself this: are there suicides in "progressive" districts? And if there are, are they Michele Bachmann's fault, too? We all understand and generally reject your juvenile opinions on religion and your monomanical desire to make religion the cause of every bad thing that happens. Give it up, will ya. Or in the alternative, abuse yourself in private.
You are an idiot. At this point there isn't any reason to justify such a statement because you do an exemplary job of it with your own posts.

Edit - It's too bad board is too busy banning people for pictures of people with pancakes on their heads rather than getting rid of trolls like you.

Double edit - I now wait your verbal sewage response that you're going to wade knee deep in the thesaurus to make.
 
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The article pointed out specific policies that targeted LGBT students that directly enabled other students to harass them. With examples of times where faculty were just xtian enough to turn a blind eye to it.

Nine students in two years have committed suicide or attempted it from a single school district that has been the target of groups she's involved with or supports.


Reactionary? You're the one who brought it up. So you don't want anyone to respond? Or you don't want people to respond unless they fall in line with your opinion that apparently there is no connection what so ever between anti-LGBT policies, the harassment that was allowed to go on as a result, and an amount of suicides that warrant the area having a "suicide contagion" description.


You are an idiot. At this point there isn't any reason to justify such a statement because you do an exemplary job of it with your own posts.

Edit - It's too bad board is too busy banning people for pictures of people with pancakes on their heads rather than getting rid of trolls like you.

Double edit - I now wait your verbal sewage response that you're going to wade knee deep in the thesaurus to make.

Correlation does not equal causation. At least in the civilized world. Again, you might try to dial it back a notch every now and again, just to show us there's a little balance in your life. Yes, you're a reactionary. I brought it up and you reacted in the balanced way we've all come to expect and love--sputtering, name calling, subject changing, etc. UNO fan wants Sarah Palin (and presumably everyone else he disagrees with) to "shut up." And you want me "gotten rid of." Another liberal hypocrite. BTW, I don't have to consult a thesaurus to dazzle you, bub.
 
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Correlation does not equal causation. At least in the civilized world. Again, you might try to dial it back a notch every now and again, just to show us there's a little balance in your life. Yes, you're a reactionary. I brought it up and you reacted in the balanced way we've all come to expect and love--sputtering, name calling, subject changing, etc. UNO fan wants Sarah Palin (and presumably everyone else he disagrees with) to "shut up." And you want me "gotten rid of." Another liberal hypocrite. BTW, I don't have to consult a thesaurus to dazzle you, bub.
Since you admit correlation, what is the alternate causation that accounts for them all experiencing harassment for similar issues? As well as being sued in an attempt to correct their policies that were allowing extreme levels of harassment?

Also by going by your logic, by not decrying the day before protests of the day of silence you promote and encourage that people observing that should be preached to and told they are going to hell. :rolleyes:

And because you're a hypocritical dingleberry who is now complaining about "name calling" did you miss where you started with it?
Why, it's her fault, naturally. Mother Jones doing it's best to "Sarah Palin" Bachmann. These lefty dip sticks,
And then added this after I responded without a single bit of "name calling".

Are you ever anything other than a lefty windbag reactionary?

You then came up with with a starwman and argumentum ad populum as if that adding any credibility to your dismissal of the article YOU brought up.

**** it, life is stressful enough without purposely beating your head against the unassailable logic of Old Pio. Right here buddy.
 
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Since you admit correlation, what is the alternate causation that accounts for them all experiencing harassment for similar issues? As well as being sued in an attempt to correct their policies that were allowing extreme levels of harassment?

Also by going by your logic, by not decrying the day before protests of the day of silence you promote and encourage that people observing that should be preached to and told they are going to hell. :rolleyes:

And because you're a hypocritical dingleberry who is now complaining about "name calling" did you miss where you started with it?
And then added this after I responded without a single bit of "name calling".



You then came up with with a starwman and argumentum ad populum as if that adding any credibility to your dismissal of the article YOU brought up.

**** it, life is stressful enough without purposely beating your head against the unassailable logic of Old os.

I'm assuming you're not a psychiatrist, I know I'm not. Thus you have no familiarity or understanding whatsoever of these cases and the issues involved. And you are not in a position to "know" what caused these poor children to take their lives. It could be different factors were at work in each case. Even though half the kids weren't gay, you posit that hatred of gays factored in all of the suicides. You beg the question that their apparantly common experiences with bullies "caused" them to kill themselves, or even figured prominently in those decisions. That, of course, hasn't and won't stop you from casting your psychotic and unfair aspersions at Michele Bachmann. I'm thinking most people who read your posts (even the ones for whom Bachmann is the anti-Christ) would agree. Evidently, in your mind, smearing Bachmann or agreeing with someone who has, is job one.

During the Clinton administration there was a lot of conspiraracy talk that he was involved somehow in the death of his friend, Vince Foster. That Foster hadn't killed himself, but was murdered. Even for a potus with whom I disagree, there really should be some evidence before implicating him in a murder. Similarly, dislike of Bachmann isn't evidence that she, her friends, supporters or people who agree with her on social issues "caused" these tragedies. And it is the worst sort of slander for you to continue in this vein.

Just for the record, this:

"Also by going by your logic, by not decrying the day before protests of the day of silence you promote and encourage that people observing that should be preached to and told they are going to hell."

is one of the most unintelligable sentences I've ever read. Congratulations. I shudder at the thought of trying to diagram it.

As far as you not engaging me any more is concerned: in psychology it's called an approach/avoidance conflict. Assuming you mean disengaging permanently, I'll miss your thoroughly predictable posts, but not so much as to do anything about it. I hope you only meant to disengage on this issue. Besides, your responses to my posts remind me of Groucho in "Horse Feathers":

"I don't know what they have to say / It makes no difference anyway / Whatever it is, I'm against it. / No matter what it is or who commenced it, I'm against it! / Your proposition may be good / But let's have one thing understood: / Whatever it is, I'm against it. / And even when you've changed it or condensed it, I'm against it! / For months before my son was born / I used to yell from night till morn: / Whatever it is, I'm against it! / And I've kept yelling since I've first commenced it, I'm against it."
 
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UNO fan wants Sarah Palin (and presumably everyone else he disagrees with) to "shut up."

Not everyone I disagree with. Just those that put forth positions so absurd that they make people dumber for having heard them. Granted, that's most evangelicals and social conservatives (to whatever extent those are 2 separate groups) these days, with probably the lone exception of Bob from this board.

That doesn't mean I want the government to arrest any of them. The world would be better off without Fred Phelps, but he still has the right to say what he says. Thankfully everyone else has the right to tell him to stick it where the sun don't shine.

No hypocricy involved. Try again.
 
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After reading the NY daily news article, I think it's a reach to claim the two policies cited (opposition to an anti-bullying law and teachers not mentioning sexual orientation in classes) are "anti-gay" or create some sort of climate of hate / intolerance. First off, you don't need a state or federal law banning bullying. That is something that *clearly* falls under the jurisdiction of local school districts and school administrators. How hard can it possibly be to develop a policy that defines bullying and then requires zero tolerance and expulsion / suspension for those caught doing it? They already do this for weapons and other things deemed to be a threat, so the idea of bringing the state or feds into this is nutty. Secondly, a teacher not mentioning orientation in class has nothing to do with anything - so what if it isn't mentioned? Does that suddenly encourage students to act out against homosexuals? :confused:
 
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No, but it does not provide any repercussions to those who do, especially when directed to do so by their congressional representative.

This whole thing makes you wonder: Palin played a part in Rep. Giffords' shooting, Bachmann has these kids' blood on her hands. Why don't the Republicans run Ted Bundy in 2016?
 
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This whole problem would be solved in a couple generations if educated women had more babies than uneducated women rather than the other way around.
 
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This whole problem would be solved in a couple generations if educated women had more babies than uneducated women rather than the other way around.

That's not going to happen. Thus, the end of the species can't be far.
 
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After reading the NY daily news article, I think it's a reach to claim the two policies cited (opposition to an anti-bullying law and teachers not mentioning sexual orientation in classes) are "anti-gay" or create some sort of climate of hate / intolerance.
I would disagree. The anti-bullying laws groups are dismissive and act as though it couldn't possibly be an issue. (Why would it even be brought up if it wasn't?) Bachmann's response and the groups she supports or is part of is to basically say shut up you brought this on yourself.

The gag order in class even affects students when they report bullying to school officials or as it is occurring. After of course religious groups are allowed to tell their kids to preach in school. (That day of silence protest for one)

Also, why didn't you read the full 3 page article?
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/michele-bachmann-teen-suicide?page=1
 
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