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2012 Elections Part I: All Politics is Yokel

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That's what Bachmann wants, but that's not what the polls say. There's no way the true right wing of the party could support either Romney or Perry yet there they sit in the lead.

Fox News Poll

23% Romney
19% Rick Perry
17% Herman Cain
11% Gingrich

That looks like a party who wants McCain, Dole, etc.

That's because polls at this point are stark raving useless. Gingrich won't draw 11% of the vote in his own household let alone an actual election. More likely than not all the far righties choosing Cain, Gingrich and Bachmann end up in Perry's camp while Paul supporters go nowhere and the 30% of the GOP electorate who are actually moderate vote for The Mittster.
 
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Speaking of high standards...is it just me...or does it seem like this election is different.

Seems in past years, Republican voters have unified on who will give them the best chance to beat Dems. IMO that was the number one between HC and BO. This year conservative expectations for candidates are much higher..as in I want my candidate. No compromise. Perhaps an unintended consequence of the rigidity of the Tea Party.
It's an artifact of the calendar date. Once there is a nominee, they will unify. Part of that is real voter pragmatism, and part of it is the party apparatus scaring them into it.

The only time you get much purity is when there's a third party candidate. The likelihood of that is very low -- the Tea Party is very closely tied to the GOP (no kidding). Somebody might run a vanity campaign to sell some books, but even then it would be a platform to attack Obama, not the Republican establishment.
 
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That's because polls at this point are stark raving useless. Gingrich won't draw 11% of the vote in his own household let alone an actual election. More likely than not all the far righties choosing Cain, Gingrich and Bachmann end up in Perry's camp while Paul supporters go nowhere and the 30% of the GOP electorate who are actually moderate vote for The Mittster.

If they truly are useless and there truly is a Tea Party, Romney and Perry should have nothing right now.
 
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Hmmm, looks like a dangerous outbreak of Garofaloism in the Big Easy. I love watching libtard censors justify limiting free speech for their political opponants. It comes so easily and so naturally to them. The moron city councilman talking about this being a traffic issue. Hey, tell those libtards to move on, and it won't be a problem. I love the way she goes down the list of ways to paperwhip this guy and then adds an entirely insincere reference to protecting his First Amendment rights. Yeah, you're pretty credible on that one, Reinhard. Libtards are always on here talking about conservative "hypocricy," and they're sometimes right. How 'bout now. How 'bout stepping up for this guy's right to say what he wants about "The One?" Any bets on how long it will take "outraged" members of the "community" to tear down those signs?

http://mrctv.org/blog/liberals-try-remove-anti-obama-signs-new-orleans
 
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You can't help but remind me of something.

I recall a group almost ten years ago where “THAT GUY” was a relatively new player to our group and we’d agreed the game was going to be about mid-high fantasy D&D heroics - So he shows up with this drunken old man lout of a fighter. Meanwhile we’re all playing young kind of weeaboo anime hero types.

We tolerated him and how often he’d talk about how drunk, smelly, and generally obnoxious his character was. He would use metagame knowledge to make fun of our characters in character, laughing at us when we’d get knocked out, calling us cowards when we failed out fear checks, and the DM would take pity on us and just kind of give us “let it slide” looks and let us take rerolls.

We’d ***** about it between sessions and we sort of grew to hate the guy as a player. His character would go into long diatribes about dungeons and gold and how useless we were and we’d et into hour long arguments where the DM would constantly have to remind us all to “keep it IC”. Anyway this campaign goes on for at least a year and the storline was kind of climaxing and the DMNPC gets kidnapped so after another argument session we get convinced by “THAT GUY” to take a suicide mission and storm a castle, and he’s basically yelling at us IRL we have to do it.

So we agree, he leaves the room with the DM for a few minutes, and we assume this is all some metaplot how he’s going to **** us over and steal out ****. They come back in as if nothing had happened. Session continues but we’re all on guard assuming something is up. We storm the castle or whatever, and have a lot of fun, not really noticing that this guy has stopped being so obnoxious. He hasn’t once mentioned how his character reeks of whiskey or onions or whatever, though he wastes a good five minutes explaining how his character shaved his beard. Whatever, we just assume the DM talked to him about how it was annoying us. Epic battles ensue and fast forward to face off with the BBEG, or some lich thing, and the fight isn’t going so well.

We’re getting spanked, our Cleric is down, and Mr. Fighter has a haste and out of nowhere he goes. “I rush to Cedirc (the Cleric) and slap him ‘GET UP YOU COWARD’”. At this point I groan but the DM is like “Cedric, you’re back up with XX HP.” Then Mr. “Fighter” goes. “I turn to the Lich and smite him.” And suddenly it clicked for all of us.

****er had been playing a Paladin the entire time. His insults were his lay-on-hands and calling us out as cowards were his Anti-fear aura. He wasn’t “THAT GUY” “we” were “THAT GUY” and we’d just been absolutely out roleplayed for almost a year.
Big print crayon version - Old Pio is a Poe.
 
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Hmmm, looks like a dangerous outbreak of Garofaloism in the Big Easy. I love watching libtard censors justify limiting free speech for their political opponants. It comes so easily and so naturally to them. The moron city councilman talking about this being a traffic issue. Hey, tell those libtards to move on, and it won't be a problem. I love the way she goes down the list of ways to paperwhip this guy and then adds an entirely insincere reference to protecting his First Amendment rights. Yeah, you're pretty credible on that one, Reinhard. Libtards are always on here talking about conservative "hypocricy," and they're sometimes right. How 'bout now. How 'bout stepping up for this guy's right to say what he wants about "The One?" Any bets on how long it will take "outraged" members of the "community" to tear down those signs?

http://mrctv.org/blog/liberals-try-remove-anti-obama-signs-new-orleans

I think you need to get laid as soon as possible. At least I hope that's your main problem.:D:eek:
 
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Why am I not surprised nobody stood up for that guy in NO who has anti-Obama signs on his property? Why won't any of our many lib posters say something along the lines of: "I hate what that guy's saying, but he's got a right to say it." Let me provide an answer: libs don't really think free speech applies to conservatives, and vice versa. So their response to my post is to insult me, presumably for having brought it up.

Let's review: the guy puts up his signs. Then, magically, a rent-a-mob shows up outside of his property, the local media are called, the uber incompetent former mayor of NO shows up, also magically, the police show up and a city councilman. The councilman allows as to how she's gonna carefully go through chicken bleep city ordinances to find the one she hopes gives her justification for shutting the guy up. And none of our liberal posters, evidently, is the slightest bit concerned. Well, IMO, they should be. Censorship is always ugly, no matter who's advocating it, or why. And almost never justified.
 
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Why am I not surprised nobody stood up for that guy in NO who has anti-Obama signs on his property? Why won't any of our many lib posters say something along the lines of: "I hate what that guy's saying, but he's got a right to say it." Let me provide an answer: libs don't really think free speech applies to conservatives, and vice versa. So their response to my post is to insult me, presumably for having brought it up.

Let's review: the guy puts up his signs. Then, magically, a rent-a-mob shows up outside of his property, the local media are called, the uber incompetent former mayor of NO shows up, also magically, the police show up and a city councilman. The councilman allows as to how she's gonna carefully go through chicken bleep city ordinances to find the one she hopes gives her justification for shutting the guy up. And none of our liberal posters, evidently, is the slightest bit concerned. Well, IMO, they should be. Censorship is always ugly, no matter who's advocating it, or why. And almost never justified.
Because no one cares about the Old Pio derprage machine.
 
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Naturally the ACLU is advancing it's customary "slippery slope" argument after we whacked al Awlaki and that other rag head. And Ron Paul also joined the chorus. So he's against killing America's sworn enemies whenever and wherever we can AND he's not troubled by Iran's nuclear program.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...illing-american-militant-without-due-process/


It seems to me that job one for a POTUS is to protect us against those who would do us harm. We've created an enormous military and intelligence capacity and we should use it whenever we can to put out the lights of those who hate us and plot to kill us. And that goes for "Americans" who have left the country, consorting with and encouraging those who are planning to harm us. Like "Dr." Hasan, who was at least encouraged to slaughter those folks at Ford Hood by Al Awlaki. While it's possible investing the executive with the power to carry out "executions" in foreign countries could be abused, I'm not going to worry about it until every one of these mother effers is pushing up daisies.
 
Re: 2012 Elections Part I: All Politics is Yokel

Why am I not surprised nobody stood up for that guy in NO who has anti-Obama signs on his property? Why won't any of our many lib posters say something along the lines of: "I hate what that guy's saying, but he's got a right to say it." Let me provide an answer: libs don't really think free speech applies to conservatives, and vice versa. So their response to my post is to insult me, presumably for having brought it up.

Let's review: the guy puts up his signs. Then, magically, a rent-a-mob shows up outside of his property, the local media are called, the uber incompetent former mayor of NO shows up, also magically, the police show up and a city councilman. The councilman allows as to how she's gonna carefully go through chicken bleep city ordinances to find the one she hopes gives her justification for shutting the guy up. And none of our liberal posters, evidently, is the slightest bit concerned. Well, IMO, they should be. Censorship is always ugly, no matter who's advocating it, or why. And almost never justified.
Actually, it's for the same reason conservatives don't generally stand up for people whose rights are abused by conservative zealots. It's too obvious that what they did was dumb. Plus, in this case, aside from being obvious, it's not really that big a deal.

So for the record, yes, this is obviously a case of much ado about nothing. But protesting is not censorship. As far as the "rene-a-mob" the guy obviously got exactly what he wanted, there. Clearly he was trying to anger people, and he succeeded. Well done. But not censorship. And as for politicians knocking on his door to speak with him, again, well within their rights. The censorship would be if the police or some other OFFICIAL person takes the sign down. It would appear that local government is trying to censor someone who disagrees with his neighbors, but this is America, what else is new.
 
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Actually, it's for the same reason conservatives don't generally stand up for people whose rights are abused by conservative zealots. It's too obvious that what they did was dumb. Plus, in this case, aside from being obvious, it's not really that big a deal.

So for the record, yes, this is obviously a case of much ado about nothing. But protesting is not censorship. As far as the "rene-a-mob" the guy obviously got exactly what he wanted, there. Clearly he was trying to anger people, and he succeeded. Well done. But not censorship. And as for politicians knocking on his door to speak with him, again, well within their rights. The censorship would be if the police or some other OFFICIAL person takes the sign down. It would appear that local government is trying to censor someone who disagrees with his neighbors, but this is America, what else is new.

Tu toque? Well, I guess it depends on how you define "big deal." If you're a homeowner and a mob, the police, local TV, a former mayor and a current city councilman all show up, determined to "persuade" you to take down the signs, you might not think it was a small deal. Which then sets up varying degrees of free speech, depending on how big a deal the situation is. No, it's not a big deal. But it is illustrative of my point (my only point) that too many of us, on boths sides, are too willing to shut somebody up with whom we disagree.

Did you watch the tape? And that idiot woman says "he (meaning the guy with the signs) wouldn't do that with Bush." She's probably right. But her titanic intellect is unable to wrap itself around the concept that tens of thousands of OTHER homeowners might have (and presumably did) put up anti-Bush signs. This was attempted censorship. So far they've been unsuccessful, doesn't mean they're going to give up. Don't fall into the legalistic trap of using Clintonian constructions to defend the indefensible. This was clearly an effort to intimidate this guy into taking down his signs. And, failing that, the city councilman says; "Fear not, I'll find a rule or regulation to shut him up." Whether they're successful or not, the impulse is identical, and since you have a DU education, I think you know it. :) And whatever else they are, that mob was not made up of the guy's "neighbors." This was a co-ordinated effort at intimidation.

My training and experience teaches me that all censors deny being censors. And assert that they have some special, justifiable reason for their efforts. In fact, a censor is a censor is a censor.

You may be too young to remember the flap over an unflattering painting of Mayor Harold Washington displayed in the Art Institute. It showed Harold dressed only in a bra, garter belt, g-string and stockings. It was called "Mirth and Girth," and referenced Harold's well kept sexual secrets and went up shortly after his death. Anyway, a couple of Chicago city aldermen, one of them armed, waltzed into the museum and took down the painting. We can both agree, no nuance, that was censorship.
 
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