2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!

[Bakunin]

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So if we lower our standard of living to that of a small Asian nation we'll be OK? Sounds awesome.

Actually, the fact our wages haven't been budging in a number of years is already making the US more competitive from the cost of production standpoint.

And as much as we like to ***** about China, they are facing competition from other Asian countries as well.

 

[duper]

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Keep in mind the "purpose" unions serve the next time you're standing in line at the DMV or USPS and none of those dedicated public servants look even slightly interested in moving things along.

Good point. And since the world is black and white with no shades of grey whatsoever, the fact that some unions protect lazy workers means that all unions are criminal and evil, and we should abolish unions forever.

There you go. You've convinced me.

 

[walrus]

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, the fact that some unions protect lazy workers .

Some? you mean all, don't you. Unions protect those folks, while the not so lazy probably don't need protection.

 

[Foxton]

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Some? you mean all, don't you. Unions protect those folks, while the not so lazy probably don't need protection.

Oh, I didn't know unions came about and exist just to protect lazy people. Learn something new everyday.

 

[Priceless]

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Oh, I didn't know unions came about and exist just to protect lazy people. Learn something new everyday.

A decent wage, benefits, overtime, the weekend, safety regulations...all irrelevant. Unions just exist to help lazy people. The good news is unions are shrinking and more lazy people are not being protected. That's why they don't have jobs - because they're lazy. It has nothing to do with employers laying workers off and hiring cheap labor overseas instead. We'd be much better off in this country if we were more like Thailand where there are no environmental or labor standards. Eliminate regulations, break the unions and start paying workers 20 cents a day and watch how many jobs come back. Oh sure, everyone will be living on the street, but that'll just encourage them not to be lazy.

Oh, wally, my neighbor works at Bath Iron Works and is a member of the union. I dare you to tell him to his face that he's lazy.

 

[Old Pio]

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Good point. And since the world is black and white with no shades of grey whatsoever, the fact that some unions protect lazy workers means that all unions are criminal and evil, and we should abolish unions forever.

There you go. You've convinced me.

Good idea. We could call it the Super Duper plan. I love how libs bask in the past when it comes to unions. You guys just won't even consider the collective damage thay've done and continue to do to our economy, our schools and our governments. Greedy union bosses living large on their huge salaries remind me of the final scene from "Animal Farm," where you couldn't tell the difference between the humans and the pigs anymore. The language of unions is that they exist for "working people" by which they mean the members of their union and no one else. The 90 plus percent of "working people" who don't belong to unions evidently don't work. This New Deal nostalgia would be really quite cute if it weren't so totally divorced from reality and so damaging to our economy.

 

[Old Pio]

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For your Sunday listening pleasure, a song by some of Deadmeat's most ardent supporters in Portland. These guys capture the essense of the movement, don't you think? Everybody sing.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeuGx8PplAo

 

[walrus]

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Oh, I didn't know unions came about and exist just to protect lazy people. Learn something new everyday.

Who said they came about to protect the lazy, its one of unintended consequences. Stop reading what you want to read.

 

[walrus]

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Oh, wally, my neighbor works at Bath Iron Works and is a member of the union. I dare you to tell him to his face that he's lazy.

Who said all union workers were lazy, I was one once. I wasn't lazy but I saw plenty who were. The union did nothing for me except hold me back, seniority is another unintended consequence of a union. You can be more qualified, management can want you to do a job but seniority gets it first. My brother works at BIW but he isn't union.

 

[Old Pio]

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Who said all union workers were lazy, I was one once. I wasn't lazy but I saw plenty who were. The union did nothing for me except hold me back, seniority is another unintended consequence of a union. You can be more qualified, management can want you to do a job but seniority gets it first. My brother works at BIW but he isn't union.

I had a lady friend who worked at the Port of Houston who had dozens of union goon annecdotes about the ILA. She said one of the most coveted jobs was the guy who got to sit in a lawn chair, with his thermos and clip board, checking off containers as they were unloaded. "Container 1004, check." "Container 2314, check." All freakin' day long.

 

[Foxton]

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Who said all union workers were lazy, I was one once. I wasn't lazy but I saw plenty who were. The union did nothing for me except hold me back, seniority is another unintended consequence of a union. You can be more qualified, management can want you to do a job but seniority gets it first. My brother works at BIW but he isn't union.

I didn't say they were all lazy but you said they protect all lazy ones. So their a purpose or primary purpose would have to be to protect lazy people.

 

[walrus]

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I didn't say they were all lazy but you said they protect all lazy ones. So their a purpose or primary purpose would have to be to protect lazy people.

If lazy folks are in the union then wow, the union protects them, thats the unions job, to protect its members, lazy or not. So if you want to look at it as the unions primary purpose, go for it but thats not what I wrote, its what you wished I wrote

 

[Old Pio]

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Meanwhile, turns out that National Lawyers Guild pinko (who was there as an "observer") wasn't "run over" by a police scooter at all. He just stuck his leg under a stopped scooter. So I guess we won't be waiting for any subsequent "hospital report" on his condition. Because the only "condition" he's got is that he's a lefty a*shole.


http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2011/10/14/protesters-police-clash-staged-performance/

 

[Priceless]

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If lazy folks are in the union then wow, the union protects them, thats the unions job, to protect its members, lazy or not. So if you want to look at it as the unions primary purpose, go for it but thats not what I wrote, its what you wished I wrote

What you wrote is "while the not so lazy probably don't need protection." So anyone not in a union "probably" isn't lazy. But some of them are protesting on Wall Street (or one of the hundreds of other locations) because they didn't have a union...

 

[Old Pio]

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What you wrote is "while the not so lazy probably don't need protection." So anyone not in a union "probably" isn't lazy. But some of them are protesting on Wall Street (or one of the hundreds of other locations) because they didn't have a union...

*tweet* "Dead ball foul offense--Bonehead missing the point." I believe it's clear from the context the "not so lazy" he was referring to were union members, too. So your kamikaze defense of union goons, in this instance, is misplaced. He neither implied nor expressed any generalized statement about laziness of non union workers. And it stands to reason those parasites in the "occupy" movement would want to be unionized.

 

[walrus]

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What you wrote is "while the not so lazy probably don't need protection." So anyone not in a union "probably" isn't lazy. But some of them are protesting on Wall Street (or one of the hundreds of other locations) because they didn't have a union...

Seeing as the topic was unions, I didn't think I had to say" the not so lazy IN THE UNION" but I guess I did

 

[Old Pio]

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Seeing as the topic was unions, I didn't think I had to say" the not so lazy IN THE UNION" but I guess I did

When you're dealing with Lt. Toranaga, or someone who thinks like Lt. Toranaga, you better make it absolutely clear. Otherwise he'll drink that ceremonial sake and head off into the sun looking for an American carrier.

 

[duper]

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Good idea. We could call it the Super Duper plan. I love how libs bask in the past when it comes to unions. You guys just won't even consider the collective damage thay've done and continue to do to our economy, our schools and our governments. Greedy union bosses living large on their huge salaries remind me of the final scene from "Animal Farm," where you couldn't tell the difference between the humans and the pigs anymore. The language of unions is that they exist for "working people" by which they mean the members of their union and no one else. The 90 plus percent of "working people" who don't belong to unions evidently don't work. This New Deal nostalgia would be really quite cute if it weren't so totally divorced from reality and so damaging to our economy.

This is pretty funny. It's a pity you don't read the comments that you respond to. (Seeing as how I already admitted the thing you claim I "won't consider" and I never mentioned, alluded to, or even thought about the New Deal.)

I had one point and one point only, and it is irrefutable as far as I can see. If unions go away, so will most of the rights that very nearly 100 percent of all workers in every industry have.

Edit: Ok, that might be a bit hyperbolic, but worker's rights will deteriorate in a way that to me would be unacceptable. It wouldn't happen overnight because we have laws, but laws can, and in this case inevitably will, change.

 

[Old Pio]

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This is pretty funny. It's a pity you don't read the comments that you respond to. (Seeing as how I already admitted in at least two posts the thing you claim I "won't consider" and I never mentioned, alluded to, or even thought about the New Deal.)

It's inferred, since you're evidently so in love with the early days of the union movement, which reached its apogee during the New Deal. My comments, while in response to your post, weren't necessarily directed at you. But if you're honest, you'll admit there's an awful lot of union nostalgia stinking up this thread. All this talk about 40 hour weeks, paid vacations, benefits and all the rest certainly do point to contributions made by unions. But they're all decades in the past. The current contributions of unions include "rubber rooms" in NYC where incompetant teachers are housed, because their union deals make it very nearly impossible to fire them. Anyway, you're saying you agree with me otherwise?

And on this business of me not reading "the comments I respond to," perhaps you'd be kind enough to show me where I've used the words "evil" or "criminal" to describe unions. However, if I were to use such words, I might point to Tony Boyle, the UMW president convicted of hiring hitmen to kill his rival for president of the union. Or that the powerful Teamsters, for years, was a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mafia.

 

[Priceless]

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Seeing as the topic was unions, I didn't think I had to say" the not so lazy IN THE UNION" but I guess I did

Um..the "not so lazy" in the union need the protection of the union too, otherwise pay and benefits would disappear, and eventually health and safety rules.