2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!

[Foxton]

Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!

what's the problem with having different outlets to express the right-middle-left? the consumer decides who is successful. it is a free country.

Well nothing is inherently wrong with news outlets that lean towards a particular political spectrum.

That said.... the problem lies in purposely misrepresenting the news, such as Fox News who went to court to justify purposely lying and presenting it as news. That's right, Fox News went to court for their "free speech" to lie. Here's how Fox reported that after a higher court who said the FCC rules were just guidelines and didn't matter. (Remember this the next to Janet Jackson flashing a boob at the super bowl gets brought up.)
http://www.foxbghsuit.com/fox021403.htm

And this is not just a few examples Old Poe can pick up off of wikipedia, it can be counted on errors and misrepresentations per hour. Simple things, like changing poll results to fit their political bent.

The Daily Show did a nice job of bringing up so many lies that it nearly filled the entire screen to list them all. Here's a list. And that's just to start.

Do you happen to remember this?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/18/us-newscorp-quickguide-idUSTRE76H5SA20110718

I'll bring up this little chestnut where one of their favorite female faces tries to say the gov't is lying and radiation is good for you. She was on O'Reilly to talk about this. He thought the pun was "very very good".
http://nation.foxnews.com/ann-coulter/2011/03/16/glowing-report-radiation

Here's part 1 of 2 for videos showing why she's a liar. (sorry he's slow with videos)
http://youtu.be/LCZfxxLw7q4

It's all fun and games until the monday night football guy gets pulled for equating the president with Hitler. He should have followed Bill's advice and shut up.
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But yea, it's all about being a free country.

 

[Old Pio]

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Well nothing is inherently wrong with news outlets that lean towards a particular political spectrum.

That said.... the problem lies in purposely misrepresenting the news, such as Fox News who went to court to justify purposely lying and presenting it as news. That's right, Fox News went to court for their "free speech" to lie. Here's how Fox reported that after a higher court who said the FCC rules were just guidelines and didn't matter. (Remember this the next to Janet Jackson flashing a boob at the super bowl gets brought up.)
http://www.foxbghsuit.com/fox021403.htm

And this is not just a few examples Old Poe can pick up off of wikipedia, it can be counted on errors and misrepresentations per hour. Simple things, like changing poll results to fit their political bent.

The Daily Show did a nice job of bringing up so many lies that it nearly filled the entire screen to list them all. Here's a list. And that's just to start.

Do you happen to remember this?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/18/us-newscorp-quickguide-idUSTRE76H5SA20110718

I'll bring up this little chestnut where one of their favorite female faces tries to say the gov't is lying and radiation is good for you. She was on O'Reilly to talk about this. He thought the pun was "very very good".
http://nation.foxnews.com/ann-coulter/2011/03/16/glowing-report-radiation

Here's part 1 of 2 for videos showing why she's a liar. (sorry he's slow with videos)
http://youtu.be/LCZfxxLw7q4

It's all fun and games until the monday night football guy gets pulled for equating the president with Hitler. He should have followed Bill's advice and shut up.
<iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/BsJJ2Vp95o8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

But yea, it's all about being a free country.

Just for the record, stupid, I didn't consult Wikipedia (or anyone else) for my post about various network outrages. I have experienced these outrages first hand. One trouble with you and the rest of the libtards is you always disregard any examples of media bias as "not enough" or "doesn't excuse Fox" or "isolated instances," or some other defense. A deliberate attempt by an MSM network to affect the outcome of a presidential election is brushed aside. "Boys will be boys, besides Fox, Fox, Fox." Fox hasn't been around all that long. But your pals in the MSM have been doing it for decades. You just can't admit the truth. Pity. And you, of course, are an example of that particular kind of libtard who simply won't differentiate between "news" on Fox and "commentary," as the piece with that a*s O'Reilly is clearly labeled. It's also the worst form of hypocrisy for you to murmer about "shutting people up" since it's the libtards who wanted to reinstate the "fairness doctrine" to shut Limbaugh up. So please, at least try to be minimally honest here, for once.

 

[Foxton]

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Just for the record, stupid, I didn't consult Wikipedia for my post about various network outrages. One trouble with you and the rest of the libtards is you always disregard any examples of media bias as "not enough" or "doesn't excuse Fox" or some other defense. You just can't admit the truth. Pity.

You sure showed me! Oh wait you completely ignored what I posted even though you quoted it.

I see what you did there.

Edit and since you edited with this ultra derp.

"And you, of course, are an example of that particular kind of libtard who simply won't differentiate between "news" on Fox and "commentary," as the piece with that a*s O'Reilly is clearly labeled. "

They went to court to say they can lie and claim it was news. No further proof needed that you just respond to people without reading.

 

[Old Pio]

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You sure showed me! Oh wait you completely ignored what I posted even though you quoted it.

I see what you did there.

Ah, Mr. Ad Hominem. What took you so long? You made a crack about me consulting Wikipedia (no doubt you thought it was particularly on point, since that's what you do everytime you open your mouth) which, in fact, I didn't. I'll say again, the examples of MSM bias I mentioned are part of me, I saw them when they happened. Sorry I can't be as superficial as you. I'll try harder. As to ignoring what you said, I didn't. Your point is: whatever the MSM have done for the last several generations is vitiated by Fox. So, two wrongs do make a right. And I don't excuse whatever crimes and misdemeanors fox may have committed, although I reserve the right to to come to my own conclusions about the significance of those crimes, if you don't mind. It's funny, you and many other libtards obsesse about Fox all the time. Why don't you just watch something else?

 

[Foxton]

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Ah, Mr. Ad Hominem. What took you so long? You made a crack about me consulting Wikipedia (no doubt you thought it was particularly on point, since that's what you do everytime you open your mouth) which, in fact, I didn't. I'll say again, the examples of MSM bias I mentioned are part of me, I saw them when they happened. Sorry I can't be as superficial as you. I'll try harder. As to ignoring what you said, I didn't. Your point is: whatever the MSM have done for the last several decades is vitiated by Fox. So, two wrongs do make a right. Tu Togue.

Since you bring up wikipedia again...

"An ad hominem (Latin: "to the man", "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it"

But I'm sure all your examples are the reason why Fox viewers are consistently the most misinformed. Surely you could find running orders on how to misrepresent the news like Fox has.

You're a dumbass, or the world's best poe, either way I'm not feeding you anymore. (And no, that's not an ad hominem, that's just an insult.)

 

[Old Pio]

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Since you bring up wikipedia again...

"An ad hominem (Latin: "to the man", "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it"

But I'm sure all your examples are the reason why Fox viewers are consistently the most misinformed. Surely you could find running orders on how to misrepresent the news like Fox has.

You're a dumbass, or the world's best poe, either way I'm not feeding you anymore. (And no, that's not an ad hominem, that's just an insult.)

Ta ta, arsewipe. You can't justify the well publicized examples of MSM news slanting I cited, so you call me names and retreat. It's your basic technique, one with which we're all familiar. But it surely doesn't make you right. Rather, it makes you predictable and pathetic.

 

[XYZ]

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Well nothing is inherently wrong with news outlets that lean towards a particular political spectrum.

That said.... the problem lies in purposely misrepresenting the news, such as Fox News who went to court to justify purposely lying and presenting it as news. That's right, Fox News went to court for their "free speech" to lie. Here's how Fox reported that after a higher court who said the FCC rules were just guidelines and didn't matter. (Remember this the next to Janet Jackson flashing a boob at the super bowl gets brought up.)
http://www.foxbghsuit.com/fox021403.htm

And this is not just a few examples Old Poe can pick up off of wikipedia, it can be counted on errors and misrepresentations per hour. Simple things, like changing poll results to fit their political bent.

The Daily Show did a nice job of bringing up so many lies that it nearly filled the entire screen to list them all. Here's a list. And that's just to start.

Do you happen to remember this?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/18/us-newscorp-quickguide-idUSTRE76H5SA20110718

I'll bring up this little chestnut where one of their favorite female faces tries to say the gov't is lying and radiation is good for you. She was on O'Reilly to talk about this. He thought the pun was "very very good".
http://nation.foxnews.com/ann-coulter/2011/03/16/glowing-report-radiation

Here's part 1 of 2 for videos showing why she's a liar. (sorry he's slow with videos)
http://youtu.be/LCZfxxLw7q4

It's all fun and games until the monday night football guy gets pulled for equating the president with Hitler. He should have followed Bill's advice and shut up.
<iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/BsJJ2Vp95o8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

But yea, it's all about being a free country.

I'm so picking you in the USCHO dead pool next year.

 

[French Rage]

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Did Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan originate with Sim City?

He'll have to deal with Congress saying:

 

[manurespreader]

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OP, here's the thing. You're dead right in that when a news outlet misrepresents the facts it is indeed reprehensible. No matter where that outlet lies on the political spectrum. The problem it seems to me is that political commentary is not distinguished from news and it should be. There should be an understanding on the part of the audience that this is opinion. This is not happening and it's causing problems.

 

[5mn_Major]

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as a former broadcaster, I have to agree the national media outlets (excepting Fox and the obviously conservative mags like National Review, Human Events and conservative talk radio) is overwhelmingly liberal. somewhere around 90% are self admitted Democrats.

Whether liberal or not, evidence is that except for players who have set themselves up as the antiFox (MSNBC, Huffpo)...most outlets have the top concern of mostly reporting straight news.

Show me the daily headlines (as compared to Fox) that substantiate that they are on a daily basis biased.

 

[MattS]

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Whether liberal or not, evidence is that except for players who have set themselves up as the antiFox (MSNBC, Huffpo)...most outlets have the top concern of most of reporting straight news.

Show me the daily headlines (as compared to Fox) that substantiate that they are on a daily basis biased.

While other mainstream news outlets might report closer to "straight" news, they are certainly not unbiased. Their main goal whether they admit it or not, is to generate revenue for their parent companies and in doing so their reporting is naturally bias towards that goal.

 

[Kepler]

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While other mainstream news outlets might report closer to "straight" news, they are certainly not unbiased. Their main goal whether they admit it or not, is to generate revenue for their parent companies and in doing so their reporting is naturally bias towards that goal.

This is important to remember. None of these organizations do anything like news. No organization that ran a story on Michael Jackson's doctor is a news organization. They are entertainment divisions. They do not employ reporters, they employ entertainers.

 

[Kepler]

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Interesting.

 

[Old Pio]

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OP, here's the thing. You're dead right in that when a news outlet misrepresents the facts it is indeed reprehensible. No matter where that outlet lies on the political spectrum. The problem it seems to me is that political commentary is not distinguished from news and it should be. There should be an understanding on the part of the audience that this is opinion. This is not happening and it's causing problems.

Absolutely. IIRC, the first network "reporter" to conflate reporting with commentary was Geraldo. He's been doing it for decades, doesn't hide it and has made a handsome living doing it. In print, the term for this is "newsatorial." An opinion piece posing as news.

 

[Old Pio]

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Whether liberal or not, evidence is that except for players who have set themselves up as the antiFox (MSNBC, Huffpo)...most outlets have the top concern of most of reporting straight news.

Show me the daily headlines (as compared to Fox) that substantiate that they are on a daily basis biased.

Poll after poll of the elite media shows an overwhelming liberal/democrat bias. They admit it themselves. We've had this conversation before and I've posted my "little list" of various felonies committed by the networks. You ignore it. Explain it away. Or respond with "but Fox." Old friend, you won't be convinced, can't be convinced, will never be convinced because you're unable to see (or smell) the elephant in the living room. Somehow, your latest defense of the indefensible is "daily headlines," whatever that means. Story selection, story placement and story treatment are the real bases for news slanting.

An enthusiastic poster provided a hyperbolic list of Fox's alleged crimes, one of which was the recent dustup involving Hank Williams, jr. He isn't an employee of Fox, was asked his opinion on something, and responded with an inappropriate analogy. How is that news bias? And if it were, where does it rank against Dan Rather attempting to influence the outcome of a presidential electiion?

This is an argument that will never end because I'm perfectly prepared to admit that Fox is biased, but evidently you (and many others) are not prepared to admit that the networks, and the rest of the elite media are similarly biased, only from a different direction.

 

[Old Pio]

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While other mainstream news outlets might report closer to "straight" news, they are certainly not unbiased. Their main goal whether they admit it or not, is to generate revenue for their parent companies and in doing so their reporting is naturally bias towards that goal.

There was a time when the news divisions of the networks were stand alone and had an enormous amount of autonomy along with the backing of senior management. No more. Hundreds of cable channels, the internet and other technologies have changed that. The idea that the vast majority of Americans would sit down at the same time, Monday through Friday, to get their half hour dose of "news" now seems hopelessly quaint.

 

[Craig P.]

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This is probably way too satisfying an idea to work, but it might be a good stick to use to influence the debate: adapt or die.

I know it's fashionable to slur the Tea Party (and I'm not immune to it)... but am I misremembering that one of their original planks (before they were subverted by the religious right and the GOP establishment) as being that TARP was a mistake and bad banks needed to fail? It's not directly on point, but the writer of the linked article appears not to remember that.

 

[Foxton]

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An enthusiastic poster provided a hyperbolic list of Fox's alleged crimes, one of which was the recent dustup involving Hank Williams, jr. He isn't an employee of Fox, was asked his opinion on something, and responded with an inappropriate analogy. How is that news bias? And if it were, where does it rank against Dan Rather attempting to influence the outcome of a presidential electiion?

This does need to be cleared up slightly because I forgot to include that a short time before on that same program they were complaining about how the liberal media uses celebrities. So they brought in a celebrity.

Oh look, here's video of it.
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You're still a dumbass.

 

[Craig P.]

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Interesting.

A particularly insightful comment:

I would say a closer analogy might be... (8+ / 0-)

to alcoholism vs. moderate alcohol consumption. Moderate consumption of alcohol is not harmful to most people, and has positive effects such as possible health benefits, enjoyment, and so on. Alcoholism, by contrast, destroys people's lives and has a wide range of destructive effects.

Likewise, capitalism moderated by regulation, progressive income taxes, anti-trust laws, and a strong democratic process relatively untainted by corruption has many positive effects on society. Capitalism without any moderation or effective regulation and enforcement is a monster that destroys societies. So, just like we have laws regulating the use of alcohol (age limits, restrictions on driving while intoxicated, taxes) we need to have laws regulating the enterprise of capitalism and the concentration of wealth. Eliminating it altogether doesn't work, but regulation is absolutely vital.

I think that captures my economic theory in a nutshell.

 

[Kepler]

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I know it's fashionable to slur the Tea Party (and I'm not immune to it)... but am I misremembering that one of their original planks (before they were subverted by the religious right and the GOP establishment) as being that TARP was a mistake and bad banks needed to fail? It's not directly on point, but the writer of the linked article appears not to remember that.

On the contrary, I think that's exactly what the writer had in mind by saying the TP was born of anger against the banksters. And in fact one of the TP founders agrees. "Occupy Wall Street is everything the Tea Party was about before it was co-opted by the GOP booster club."

The corporate financial system is such a virulent parasite it can only be removed if it's attacked from both right and left. That's what the people in the Venn diagram intersection between the TP and OWS have to work towards. Otherwise, the government and their bribers will just run out the clock, as usual.

This isn't right vs left. It's corruption vs reform.