Foxton
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Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
At that point, the base no longer matters.
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Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
Where's the overt political bias on the top stories from CNN, ABC and the like? Not on CNN today...they were asking who sufferred the most fallout from Fast and Furious.
You hear this claim over and over again...NEVER with any evidence.
Where's the overt political bias on the top stories from CNN, ABC and the like? Not on CNN today...they were asking who sufferred the most fallout from Fast and Furious.
You hear this claim over and over again...NEVER with any evidence.
bronconick
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Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
The base always matters. The most important thing to any politician is re-election. Not his goals or accomplishments.
The base always matters. The most important thing to any politician is re-election. Not his goals or accomplishments.
Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
If you had incorporated abortion into this somehow, I'd have sworn you thought I was the one in charge of their ads.
Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
How far back do we have to go to establish MSM bias? Walter Duranty of the NYT? Who lied to his readers about the terror famine in Ukraine that took more lives than the holocaust? Denied it was occurring. Presumably because that's what Stalin wanted.
The NYT with its breathless "story" about an affair by John McCain.
The WaPo's "story" about a rock in west Texas that "proves" Rick Perry is a racist. Why not photograph this "proof" so we can all have a look at it and make up our own minds?
NBC "investigating" the alleged propensity of GMC side saddle gas tanks on their pickups to explode in accidents discovered the tanks, in fact, weren't prone to blowing up. So they did the only honorable thing: they rigged the tanks with explosives. THEN they blew up.
In its coverage of Felix Bloch (State Department official, suspected of espionage, but never tried) ABC showed grainy surveillance-type videotape of a figure passing what appeared to be a briefcase to another man. They "forgot" to mention the tape was entirely staged, by them, to "enhance" their story.
Bloch almost certainly was a traitor, but ABC has an absolute duty to explain which video is real and which is phony.
CBS (oh, my, so many examples) doctoring a speech by General Westmoreland to make it appear as though he was saying something he wasn't.
Dan Rather producing forged documents at the last minute to torpedo George W. Bush (his producer helpfully advised the Kerry campaign about the segment). And when his cheap fraud was almost instantly discovered, insulted the intelligence of the American people by proclaiming it didn't matter if the documents were forged.
CBS reporter Daniel Schorr suggesting Senator Goldwater was going to visit "Hitler's old stomping ground at Berchtesgaden (sp)." And implied Goldwater was seeking some sort of political relationship with German right wingers (and we know who they are, don't we?).
CBS showing film of a baby "who died of malnutrition" on a series about hunger in America. The baby was the child of a Latino physician from San Antonio, and had most assuredly not died of malnutrition.
I realize I'm wasting my time here. I very rarely watch Fox (only in "wall to wall" Big News coverage). And even though Fox's critics are obsessed, there's no question Fox approaches things from the right. Although Fox's critics steadfastly refuse to differentiate between news coverage and the antics of someone like that clown Bill O'Reilly. Even so, Fox news does look for the convervative angle.
Why then, is it so difficult for libs to admit that most of the rest of the MSM do the same thing, from the left? The kind of slanting I've mentioned goes on in the MSM every day. Yet otherwise intelligent people can't see the elephant in the living room.
Let me give you a tiny example. When I was communications director for a gubernatorial campaign in Nebraska, the Lincoln paper did profile pieces on the candidates, which featured quick hit boxes at the top of the ariticles: among the items referenced was "religion."That got us to wondering. We checked, and in the prior four or five election cycles, the paper had not included religion in the quick hit boxes. But our guy was a JEW. And Mike Johannes, then the mayor of Lincoln, was an evangelical.* I still haven't resolved whether that was a coincidence or not.
*I don't believe for a minute that Johannes had anything to do with this. Mike's an honorable guy.
How far back do we have to go to establish MSM bias? Walter Duranty of the NYT? Who lied to his readers about the terror famine in Ukraine that took more lives than the holocaust? Denied it was occurring. Presumably because that's what Stalin wanted.
The NYT with its breathless "story" about an affair by John McCain.
The WaPo's "story" about a rock in west Texas that "proves" Rick Perry is a racist. Why not photograph this "proof" so we can all have a look at it and make up our own minds?
NBC "investigating" the alleged propensity of GMC side saddle gas tanks on their pickups to explode in accidents discovered the tanks, in fact, weren't prone to blowing up. So they did the only honorable thing: they rigged the tanks with explosives. THEN they blew up.
In its coverage of Felix Bloch (State Department official, suspected of espionage, but never tried) ABC showed grainy surveillance-type videotape of a figure passing what appeared to be a briefcase to another man. They "forgot" to mention the tape was entirely staged, by them, to "enhance" their story.
Bloch almost certainly was a traitor, but ABC has an absolute duty to explain which video is real and which is phony.
CBS (oh, my, so many examples) doctoring a speech by General Westmoreland to make it appear as though he was saying something he wasn't.
Dan Rather producing forged documents at the last minute to torpedo George W. Bush (his producer helpfully advised the Kerry campaign about the segment). And when his cheap fraud was almost instantly discovered, insulted the intelligence of the American people by proclaiming it didn't matter if the documents were forged.
CBS reporter Daniel Schorr suggesting Senator Goldwater was going to visit "Hitler's old stomping ground at Berchtesgaden (sp)." And implied Goldwater was seeking some sort of political relationship with German right wingers (and we know who they are, don't we?).
CBS showing film of a baby "who died of malnutrition" on a series about hunger in America. The baby was the child of a Latino physician from San Antonio, and had most assuredly not died of malnutrition.
I realize I'm wasting my time here. I very rarely watch Fox (only in "wall to wall" Big News coverage). And even though Fox's critics are obsessed, there's no question Fox approaches things from the right. Although Fox's critics steadfastly refuse to differentiate between news coverage and the antics of someone like that clown Bill O'Reilly. Even so, Fox news does look for the convervative angle.
Why then, is it so difficult for libs to admit that most of the rest of the MSM do the same thing, from the left? The kind of slanting I've mentioned goes on in the MSM every day. Yet otherwise intelligent people can't see the elephant in the living room.
Let me give you a tiny example. When I was communications director for a gubernatorial campaign in Nebraska, the Lincoln paper did profile pieces on the candidates, which featured quick hit boxes at the top of the ariticles: among the items referenced was "religion."That got us to wondering. We checked, and in the prior four or five election cycles, the paper had not included religion in the quick hit boxes. But our guy was a JEW. And Mike Johannes, then the mayor of Lincoln, was an evangelical.* I still haven't resolved whether that was a coincidence or not.
*I don't believe for a minute that Johannes had anything to do with this. Mike's an honorable guy.
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walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
This so clever, the more you use it the more clever it becomes
Foxton
Banned
Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
Actually I have been using #Idonthavefactstobackthisup
Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
The fact and the extent to which the MSM have been hauling water for Deadmeat is beyond dispute, IMO. It goes back much further than Deadmeat, of course, but the tone, nature, and extent of the coverage he received during the campaign is unprecedented in my experience. Many of them just gave up on trying to be "neutral." They were rooting for Deadmeat to win, no possible question about it. Matthews wasn't the only one with "tingles."
The fact and the extent to which the MSM have been hauling water for Deadmeat is beyond dispute, IMO. It goes back much further than Deadmeat, of course, but the tone, nature, and extent of the coverage he received during the campaign is unprecedented in my experience. Many of them just gave up on trying to be "neutral." They were rooting for Deadmeat to win, no possible question about it. Matthews wasn't the only one with "tingles."
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
What part of fetus Statue of Liberty don't you understand?If you had incorporated abortion into this somehow, I'd have sworn you thought I was the one in charge of their ads.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
I am very glad for you that you don't live in a world where FNC is on the tube in your workplace every day. Unfortunately, I do, and I see the brainrot up close and personal. It's depressing.
You'd be afraid too if 85% of your coworkers watched it and parroted back every talking point.
I am very glad for you that you don't live in a world where FNC is on the tube in your workplace every day. Unfortunately, I do, and I see the brainrot up close and personal. It's depressing.
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Just so we're clear. It wouldn't be "brainrot" if you had to watch MSNBC all day? Because you're in general agreement with their perspective? We know how hot you think Maddow is.
Just so we're clear. It wouldn't be "brainrot" if you had to watch MSNBC all day? Because you're in general agreement with their perspective? We know how hot you think Maddow is.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
You didn't specify whether the fetus was living or dead!What part of fetus Statue of Liberty don't you understand?
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
MSNBC is FNC with bigger words. I have no problem with you saying it's just as biased as the Murdoch empire.
Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
Do we just take your word? Or is that written on a tablet?
Do we just take your word? Or is that written on a tablet?
Foxton
Banned
Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
Hey now, be a little pc about this, it's too soon for Steve Jobs jokes.
Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
Tell that to the Chinese working in Apple-affiliated sweatshops.
huskyfan
New member
Re: 2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!
as a former broadcaster, I have to agree the national media outlets (excepting Fox and the obviously conservative mags like National Review, Human Events and conservative talk radio) is overwhelmingly liberal. somewhere around 90% are self admitted Democrats. how many stories do you want to hear? the ABC news executive who told me hiring George Stephanopoulos was a good way to get the "word" out? Charlie Gibson's office poster "what if the military had to hold bake sales and our schools got funded"? Peter Jennings Palestinian mistress and his anti Israel bias? Diane Sawyer. don't get me started. I could go on and on. by far the MSM is liberal to the core - at the national levels. not just the on air people, but the producers, executives, writers, right down to the cameramen and control rooms. funny, but most local news and local news people, in my experience, skew conservative to moderate. has anyone noticed CBS's and CNN's recent lurches to the center? follow the money. most of you are too young to remember network news in the 60's, 70's and 80's - it was all liberal all the time. Fox helps balance out the coverage just as having two local newspapers (one liberal one conservative) in our large cities used to in print.
what's the problem with having different outlets to express the right-middle-left? the consumer decides who is successful. it is a free country.
as a former broadcaster, I have to agree the national media outlets (excepting Fox and the obviously conservative mags like National Review, Human Events and conservative talk radio) is overwhelmingly liberal. somewhere around 90% are self admitted Democrats. how many stories do you want to hear? the ABC news executive who told me hiring George Stephanopoulos was a good way to get the "word" out? Charlie Gibson's office poster "what if the military had to hold bake sales and our schools got funded"? Peter Jennings Palestinian mistress and his anti Israel bias? Diane Sawyer. don't get me started. I could go on and on. by far the MSM is liberal to the core - at the national levels. not just the on air people, but the producers, executives, writers, right down to the cameramen and control rooms. funny, but most local news and local news people, in my experience, skew conservative to moderate. has anyone noticed CBS's and CNN's recent lurches to the center? follow the money. most of you are too young to remember network news in the 60's, 70's and 80's - it was all liberal all the time. Fox helps balance out the coverage just as having two local newspapers (one liberal one conservative) in our large cities used to in print.
what's the problem with having different outlets to express the right-middle-left? the consumer decides who is successful. it is a free country.
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There was always (particularly in the old days) a rough balance: network/national more or less liberal. Local more or less conservative. I grew up in Chicago and in those days it was hard to find a more conservative paper than the Tribune. Three network managing editors in New York decided what was "news" that day based on the front page of the NYT. And the vast majority of Americans got their news from the three half hour broadcasts those men managed. Their treatment of Goldwater in '64 (a total disgrace) was the mirror image of their collective swoon for Obama in '08. That's why, when Dan Schorr suggested Goldwater was going to hook up with Nazis in Germany, their response to the smear was a collective shrug. "What are those fools talking about?" I've never thought of this liberal bias as a conspiracy. Rather, it's part of the topography, to be dealt with in decoding what they say. But it still amazes me they won't simply admit to being liberals. You mention Stephanopoulos. When was the last time a key advisor and press secretary to a Republican president has been fobbed off on the public as a "journalist?"
There was always (particularly in the old days) a rough balance: network/national more or less liberal. Local more or less conservative. I grew up in Chicago and in those days it was hard to find a more conservative paper than the Tribune. Three network managing editors in New York decided what was "news" that day based on the front page of the NYT. And the vast majority of Americans got their news from the three half hour broadcasts those men managed. Their treatment of Goldwater in '64 (a total disgrace) was the mirror image of their collective swoon for Obama in '08. That's why, when Dan Schorr suggested Goldwater was going to hook up with Nazis in Germany, their response to the smear was a collective shrug. "What are those fools talking about?" I've never thought of this liberal bias as a conspiracy. Rather, it's part of the topography, to be dealt with in decoding what they say. But it still amazes me they won't simply admit to being liberals. You mention Stephanopoulos. When was the last time a key advisor and press secretary to a Republican president has been fobbed off on the public as a "journalist?"
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