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2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!

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LynahFan said:
I agree with most of this, but I would expand on one point. "Republicans and Democrats treated financial firms as a class protected from capitalism for years, so long as the banks would keep feeding debt to American homeowners and consumers and to the federal government itself." With interest rates as low as they've been, many banks have been parking their capital in T-bills rather than lending it to "homeowners and consumers." In effect banks have taken bailouts from the government and then lent it right back to the government, which is patently ridiculous. Of course, this wouldn't occur if the federal budget were anywhere close to balanced in the first place.

"The financial crisis, and government’s response to it, remains with us, as does the debt that spurred the crisis. Ignoring it won’t make it go away."

Indeed.
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I completely agree with your point expansion. While the GOP is existentially tied to the plutocracy, the Dems have been no prize, either. American economic liberals (known in the rest of the world as "right of center moderates") have backed the Dems since the 1980's because they were the lesser of the two evils, but just as the GOP won't necessarily always hold on to fiscal conservatives if they keep playing their games, the Democratic Party won't hold on to economic liberals if they keep being "The Slightly Less Corrupt Entity."

Romney is a transparent Wall Street shill who could fracture the GOP by underlining their complete condescension towards working people. Obama is an opaque Wall Street shill who probably should have fractured the Dems by underlining their complete condescension towards working people. A third party that sincerely represented working and lower middle class interests would terrify both established parties equally -- the GOP couldn't use the TEHSOCIALISM!!!111! BS about the Dems anymore, but the Dems couldn't pretend they supported liberal economic policies ("if only we had the votes, sob") anymore, either.
 
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NOTE: We totally forgot about Ron Paul and Rick Santorum. But don't worry, in two weeks you will, too.
 
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Flashback to 2006 where if you're not a republican you hate your family, don't work and don't want to, want high taxes for everyone, won't ever enlist in armed forces, and will sleep around and demand abortions should one of your many sexual conquests gets pregnant. Any of this rhetoric seem like it would be out of place today?

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Foxton said:
Flashback to 2006 where if you're not a republican you hate your family, don't work and don't want to, want high taxes for everyone, won't ever enlist in armed forces, and will sleep around and demand abortions should one of your many sexual conquests gets pregnant. Any of this rhetoric seem like it would be out of place today?
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No.
 
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Foxton said:
Flashback to 2006 where if you're not a republican you hate your family, don't work and don't want to, want high taxes for everyone
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I'm sure the 2012 RNC ads will have a black guy with a Mexican mustache and a turban anally raping a fetus Statue of Liberty with a Chinese-made hammer-and-sickle-shaped dildo labeled "taxes."
 
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walrus said:
The leftys did/do the exact same thing with tea party folks.
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That's certainly true. (Although they sure made it easy...)

So what I hear you saying is the righty attacks on OWS are ridiculous partisan tactics. We agree (and I think you will also agree the Dems are trying to co-opt OWS in exactly the way that the GOP co-opted the TP).

Interestingly, I just saw an income breakdown of OWS support that is pretty much exactly the same as that for TP (the higher your income, the stronger your support). The first thing I thought of, though, was that political engagement strongly correlates with income and education, so it's likely just an independent variable in each case.

This is great on so many levels: (sorry about the size)

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This is brilliant.


The full quote is as follows:

"Unhappy events abroad have retaught us two simple truths about the liberty of a democratic people. The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any other controlling private power.

"The second truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if its business system does not provide employment and produce and distribute goods in such a way as to sustain an acceptable standard of living. Both lessons hit home. Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing."
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Kepler said:
That's certainly true. (Although they sure made it easy...)

So what I hear you saying is the righty attacks on OWS are ridiculous partisan tactics. We agree (and I think you will also agree the Dems are trying to co-opt OWS in exactly the way that the GOP co-opted the TP).
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Not sure all are ridiculous but probably all are partisan. I heard some clips from some random occupier saying they want the country to be a hunter gatherer nation, I don't think its ridiculous to attack that person(s) Everyone has to agree that person has Sh1t for brains so I'm not even sure that has to be partisan.

As far as co-opting goes, money changes everything
 
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walrus said:
I heard some clips from some random occupier saying they want the country to be a hunter gatherer nation, I don't think its ridiculous to attack that person(s) Everyone has to agree that person has Sh1t for brains so I'm not even sure that has to be partisan.
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Yep. But no stupider than some TPer maintaining the US should live "under God's law." And the difference is the TPer will be solemnly echoed by a half dozen GOP presidential candidates and half the sitting GOP Congressional delegation.

We both agree there is derp on both sides. But it's a false comparison to say it balances when the derp also gets up on FNC every night, and has the gavel in the House. That's why right now the right is so much more of a threat to the country than the left.

It can change, though. Another decade or so of trickle down and there may be signs in Zuccotti Park saying "we came unarmed (this time)."
 
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Kepler said:
Yep. But no stupider than some TPer maintaining the US should live "under God's law." And the difference is the TPer will be solemnly echoed by a half dozen GOP presidential candidates and half the sitting GOP Congressional delegation.

We both agree there is derp on both sides. But it's a false comparison to say it balances when the derp also gets up on FNC every night, and has the gavel in the House. That's why right now the right is so much more of a threat to the country than the left.

It can change, though. Another decade or so of trickle down and there may be signs in Zuccotti Park saying "we came unarmed (this time)."
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Fox news must be crack or meth in your world. Its unreal how afraid you are of them. You've had every news station besides them lobbying for the leftys, the rightys get one outlet and somehow they are going to crash the known free world. I don't see it and I don;'t get it but then I never watch that drivel
 
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walrus said:
Fox news must be crack or meth in your world. Its unreal how afraid you are of them. You've had every news station besides them lobbying for the leftys, the rightys get one outlet and somehow they are going to crash the known free world. I don't see it and I don;'t get it but then I never watch that drivel
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Well you seem to be speaking from a well researched position. Or #NotIntendedToBeaFactualStatement
 
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walrus said:
Fox news must be crack or meth in your world. Its unreal how afraid you are of them. You've had every news station besides them lobbying for the leftys, the rightys get one outlet and somehow they are going to crash the known free world. I don't see it and I don;'t get it but then I never watch that drivel
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Elect Perry. Give the Republicans 60+ in the Senate and keep their majority in the House.

Watch what happens.
 
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