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2011 College Football: Occupy GameDay!

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The running into the punter call was correct.
The overturn on non-catch was correct.
If you want to complain about a missed call you should probably talk about a 3rd down conversion MSU had late in the 2nd quarter where he was stripped on the sidelines before he completed the catch but was still credited with it. They went on to score a TD a few plays later to make it 29 before the half. It didn't get reviewed much less overturned like it should have been and that was a mistake. He never completed the catch.
 
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bronconick said:
Sagarin's are out.

Kind of want to see his methodology now. I have no idea how his numbers come out to Alabama ahead of Oklahoma State with his obscene Big XII love so obvious. (Keep in mind that Alabama didn't play Georgia/South Carolina this season)

That's by conference.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm

9 of 10 Big XII teams are in the top 30 of his "ELO-Chess" version that the BCS uses.

Someone who took more than the bare minimum of math in college to graduate want to take a crack at this?
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The Big 12 gets a huge bump because they only lost 3 non con games: Ark over A&M, ASU over Mizzu, and Georgia Tech over Kansas and they played 9 conference games and Kansas lost all of them and those teams were considered good at the time the games were played. Effectively they stockpiled ratings points in NC games and then redistributed those points during conference games. The big ten is getting killed because they lost so many NC games, particularly to non-BCS schools.
 
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bronconick said:
It'd be fun if they forget to add in one Georgia Southern-App State game that flips 4 teams in the top 20 again like last year.....and thats' the one computer system we have public access to double check....

.....maybe they should just have a selection committee like basketball.
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IMO... all the systems should either be made open-source or be double-programmed with strict scrutiny by a third party... its not like they can't afford it. I would think that if any of us science people tried to get away with their reliability we'd be drawn and quartered at the first opportunity
 
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bronconick said:
Sagarin's are out.

Kind of want to see his methodology now. I have no idea how his numbers come out to Alabama ahead of Oklahoma State with his obscene Big XII love so obvious. (Keep in mind that Alabama didn't play Georgia/South Carolina this season)
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its all a matter of who you lose to... I don't know that Sagarin uses a penalized maximum likelihood (I suspect Massey does) but in general if you didn't have a penalized likelihood (see KRACH) its certain that 'Bama and LSU would chase each other to infinity... whereas, I believe if you chucked those two (and possibly Arkansas) you'd have a closed system and it would converge to a solution... so essentially 'Bama and LSU are trying to go as far out as their penalizing function will allow... meanwhile OSU is boatanchored to the rest of college football.
 
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MavHockey14 said:
He flopped, indeed, but we'll never know if he wouldve fallen without trying to. Regardless it was a mistake by MSU, and it cost them.
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Does the punter have to fall down for it to be the 5 yarder? If not, what's the problem? Replay showed CLEARLY that he ran into him.

We got called a couple of weeks ago when an opponent's lineman practically threw our guy into the punter with a block in the back. Don't put yourself in that position and it won't be called.

MSU got the breaks in the first meeting with a missed call on a false start on the final drive and our idiot coach helping them by calling timeouts. Not to mention the last play which was incredibly lucky.

Last night, Wisconsin had a few fortunate plays including our own "Hail Barry" but to be fair, our guy made a great play on the ball instead of having it bounce off someone's face and into his hands.

In the end, Wisconsin made one or two more plays and that's that.


EDIT: MSU ruined our season in October, we ruined theirs last night. Too bad we won't play each other every year as this could be the start of a great rivalry.

I do believe that this coupled with the basketball rivalry could help fuel a nice little hockey hatred. We'll see.
 
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Patman said:
its all a matter of who you lose to... I don't know that Sagarin uses a penalized maximum likelihood (I suspect Massey does) but in general if you didn't have a penalized likelihood (see KRACH) its certain that 'Bama and LSU would chase each other to infinity... whereas, I believe if you chucked those two (and possibly Arkansas) you'd have a closed system and it would converge to a solution... so essentially 'Bama and LSU are trying to go as far out as their penalizing function will allow... meanwhile OSU is boatanchored to the rest of college football.
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I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that unlike KRACH, the ELO ranking don't require that all teams be connected by a loss. Effectively, that for each game Team A can either gain X points or lose Y points and vica versa for for Team B. If teams A and B are equal than X and Y will be equal. Thus what matters is accumulating points to the conference by winning out of conference games. You do that and the conference will have more total points than the other conferences to distribute amongst its teams during conference play.
 
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The USA today and the AP polls are out, and OSU and Bama are in a near tie for 2nd (AP: 1418 to 1400; USA: 1399 to 1367), if the Harris is similar it will all come down to the computer rankings and one would think that would give OSU the advantage.

Looks like MSU wasn't punished to bad for losing in the Champ game, I'd like to see their season rewarded with a BCS bid over Michigan. It's clear that UW and MSU were the two best teams in the B10 this year and that they were nearly equally matched.
 
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Almington said:
The USA today and the AP polls are out, and OSU and Bama are in a near tie for 2nd (AP: 1418 to 1400; USA: 1399 to 1367), if the Harris is similar it will all come down to the computer rankings and one would think that would give OSU the advantage.

Looks like MSU wasn't punished to bad for losing in the Champ game, I'd like to see their season rewarded with a BCS bid over Michigan. It's clear that UW and MSU were the two best teams in the B10 this year and that they were nearly equally matched.
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Interestingly, if Ok St is in the NC, Stanford doesn't automatically get in because of the #4 rule, since Alabama will be at #3 and will get in due to the #3 rule, and the #4 rule does not apply if the #3 rule does. Still somewhat unlikely they're not in at #4, but I'll believe it when I see it, especially if TCU is able to snag another automatic spot.
 
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With the polls out, I'm seeing SEVERAL articles with bowl projections having OSU/LSU. Gonna be a riveting afternoon for all 3 teams waiting on the final word.
 
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hockeyplayer1015 said:
With the polls out, I'm seeing SEVERAL articles with bowl projections having OSU/LSU. Gonna be a riveting afternoon for all 3 teams waiting on the final word.
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The worst part about this is that the computers are going to effectively ruin the hopes and dreams of one team.

Really hoping OSU gets in!
 
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MavHockey14 said:
The worst part about this is that the computers are going to effectively ruin the hopes and dreams of one team.
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Yeah, it's so much better when hopes and dreams are ended by a bunch of good ol' boys in smoke filled-rooms behind closed doors...

We have a 2-team playoff. There will very nearly always be more than 2 teams in the "argument" for inclusion, so no selection system is ever going to be satisfactory.
 
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LynahFan said:
Yeah, it's so much better when hopes and dreams are ended by a bunch of good ol' boys in smoke filled-rooms behind closed doors...

We have a 2-team playoff. There will very nearly always be more than 2 teams in the "argument" for inclusion, so no selection system is ever going to be satisfactory.
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The exact reason we need a playoff to decide this on the field.
 
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Even if Southern Miss doesn't make it in, they will get a healthy check from the BCS for taking care of the Houston problem.
 
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I love Montee Ball, but it's kind of b.s. that when they decided to include bowl stats in season stats a few years back they decided not to apply that retroactively. Barry Sanders would have 44 TDs instead of 39.
 
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WeWantMore said:
I love Montee Ball, but it's kind of b.s. that when they decided to include bowl stats in season stats a few years back they decided not to apply that retroactively. Barry Sanders would have 44 TDs instead of 39.
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We were talking about this last night. It doesn't make any sense? In the Pasadena shootout though, I wouldn't be that surprised if Ball had six TD's.:p
 
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It's beginning to look like TCU is going to squeak into the Sugar or Fiesta if Okie State leapfrogs 'Bama.
 
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