2011 College Football: Occupy GameDay!

[MavHockey14]

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I don't even know how to describe how I feel. I was going to be given Rose Bowl tickets for Christmas, it was promised the night of the first Wisconsin game. At first it was just a promise like "oh, that'd be cool" and then everything kept falling into place. Finally it looked like everything was falling into place. Six minutes from the Rose Bowl, and then next time a mere three yards. I don't like to a single person, but two plays ended up winning it for Wisconsin. Isiah Lewis was directly responsible for the 4th and 8 conversion that lead to the go ahead TD, and then ran into the punter.

Great season, couldn't ask for a better one. Next year will be fun to watch. Reloading on offense but not losing anyone on D unless Worthy leaves.

I feel for you. This was me last year, just with much less drama. The Hawkeyes had 22 of 24 returning starters, a top 15 defense, and an offense with guys like Robinson and McNutt, in addition to Stanzi's senior year, plus all of these guys with a Orange Bowl victory under their belts. It was our year; it had to be, right?

MSU is a great team, unfortunately, they made one too many mistakes tonight, and that cost them.

 

[French Rage]

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Also, Clemson routs VaTech to win the ACC. That comes with the Orange Bowl berth most likely, correct?

And, oops Michigan St. Big, big oops.

And cements Stanford in the top 4 to the Fiesta Bowl. Unless Ok St goes to the NC, then maybe some things move around...

 

[Pirateasaurus]

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In addition, Nortman had been GREAT all night, did Martin even have a return before that last one?

Wisconsin's punt team scheme is one of the worst ever. rush more than five and you have a serious shot at blocking the punt.

I called into fox sports tonight radio, driving home from watching the game with some friends. TJ or whatever the hell his name is was just blown away that the refs didn't let that running into the punter go. flop or no flop, whether he was trying to avoid contact or not, the refs nailed the call one hundred percent. they assessed the five yard, not the fifteen yard penalty, which was the correct call, and it was a misfortune for the Spartans.

I really think OSU should jump Bama, but I'm not holding out hope. there's going to be a lot of voters that think the SEC is untouchable.

It doesn't matter at all whether he assessed a 15 yarder or 5 yarder because it still decided the game. I don't agree with the call but that's because given instant replay, it was pretty clear that the punter dropped like a sack of potatoes once there was a bit of contact. Even tucked his leg under and everything. Yeah, you can techincally call that but i didn't think it was enough to throw a championship deciding flag. Argg, and returning it all the way to the effing 1 too... man.

 

[J.D.]

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I really think OSU should jump Bama, but I'm not holding out hope. there's going to be a lot of voters that think the SEC is untouchable.

I don't think the SEC is untouchable, but I still think Alabama is a better team. It wouldn't even be talked about had OK State taken care of business against a mediocre Iowa State team.

It doesn't matter at all whether he assessed a 15 yarder or 5 yarder because it still decided the game. I don't agree with the call but that's because given instant replay, it was pretty clear that the punter dropped like a sack of potatoes once there was a bit of contact. Even tucked his leg under and everything. Yeah, you can techincally call that but i didn't think it was enough to throw a championship deciding flag. Argg, and returning it all the way to the effing 1 too... man.

I agree

 

[Almington]

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It doesn't matter at all whether he assessed a 15 yarder or 5 yarder because it still decided the game. I don't agree with the call but that's because given instant replay, it was pretty clear that the punter dropped like a sack of potatoes once there was a bit of contact. Even tucked his leg under and everything. Yeah, you can techincally call that but i didn't think it was enough to throw a championship deciding flag. Argg, and returning it all the way to the effing 1 too... man.

Don't make contact with the punter and it isn't a flag. The player made the championship deciding play, not the official. The official called that the play the same as he would have called it in the first punt of the first game of the season and that is EXACTLY what you want from a game official.

 

[J.D.]

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Championship or not, I don't want that call made...ever. In any situation. I don't care what the rule says.

 

[MavHockey14]

Don't make contact with the punter and it isn't a flag. The player made the championship deciding play, not the official. The official called that the play the same as he would have called it in the first punt of the first game of the season and that is EXACTLY what you want from a game official.

I agree one hundred percent. This isn't even talked about if contact is avoided.

 

[MavHockey14]

Championship or not, I don't want that call made...ever. In any situation. I don't care what the rule says.

But, it has to be called due to the rules, right?

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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What the Oklahoma St./Alabama argument boils down to for me is this....

Identical records. One team played tougher competition. As has been said time and time again to discredit BSU/TCU/etc...ANY team can win in a one-off. If that's the case you can't compare just one game, you have to take the entire body of work into account.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Championship or not, I don't want that call made...ever. In any situation. I don't care what the rule says.

Then your issue is with the rule, not the call...

 

[Pirateasaurus]

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But, it has to be called due to the rules, right?

Well, not everything is so black and white. Hockey fans should know that more than any sports fan. How many times have you used the term "Weak penalty call"? That was a very weak call that decided the game.

Like i said, "technically" the call was correct. Was it the right call? Don't think so.

 

[MavHockey14]

Well, not everything is so black and white. Hockey fans should know that more than any sports fan. How many times have you used the term "Weak penalty call"? That was a very weak call that decided the game.

Like i said, "technically" the call was correct. Was it the right call? Don't think so.

You said it yourself, the call was correct. End of story. It was called as the rule states.

 

[UCBadger]

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Well, not everything is so black and white. Hockey fans should know that more than any sports fan. How many times have you used the term "Weak penalty call"? That was a very weak call that decided the game.

Like i said, "technically" the call was correct. Was it the right call? Don't think so.

But if you knew that the call would not be made in a game changing situation, it would be open season on punters.

 

[J.D.]

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But if you knew that the call would not be made in a game changing situation, it would be open season on punters.

No, because there's still a roughing the punter call.

Then your issue is with the rule, not the call...

My issue is with both. I don't care what the rule says. I've seen similar plays go uncalled.

But, it has to be called due to the rules, right?

Doesn't have to be called. My solution to this would be to eliminate the five yard running into the kicker call from the rules. Only have roughing the kicker.

 

[Pirateasaurus]

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You said it yourself, the call was correct. End of story. It was called as the rule states.

Would the call have been made had the punter not flopped? I personally doubt it. The fact that our guy touched him isn't what bothers me. It's that it was a flop that drew the call. That's why i don't like it. I think the ref should have made a judgement call that given such circumstances, you keep the flag in your pocket.

And I don't care that "contact" was made. Our guy could have gave him a friendly pat on the *** and it would be a penalty "as the rule states". Had that happened, i don't think anybody would agree with it but well shucks, as the rule states it'd be a penalty. Game over.

 

[MavHockey14]

No, because there's still a roughing the punter call.



My issue is with both. I don't care what the rule says. I've seen similar plays go uncalled.

So it goes uncalled, Michigan State wins the game, and Bret Bielema and all of Wisconsin aren't absolutely on fire about the non-call?

Ultimately it was the player's fault who made contact, even if it was minimal, with the punter. Plain and simple.

 

[MavHockey14]

Would the call have been made had the punter not flopped? I personally doubt it. The fact that our guy touched him isn't what bothers me. It's that it was a flop that drew the call. That's why i don't like it. I think the ref should have made a judgement call that given such circumstances, you keep the flag in your pocket.

And I don't care that "contact" was made. Our guy could have gave him a friendly pat on the *** and it would be a penalty "as the rule states". Had that happened, i don't think anybody would agree with it but well shucks, as the rule states it'd be a penalty. Game over.

He flopped, indeed, but we'll never know if he wouldve fallen without trying to. Regardless it was a mistake by MSU, and it cost them.

 

[J.D.]

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I don't have a dog in this fight. In fact, I was actually rooting for wisconsin. If it was my team, I would never be "absolutely on fire" about something like that not being called.

If my team went on to lose, i'd blame my defense.

 

[bronconick]

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Sagarin's are out.

Kind of want to see his methodology now. I have no idea how his numbers come out to Alabama ahead of Oklahoma State with his obscene Big XII love so obvious. (Keep in mind that Alabama didn't play Georgia/South Carolina this season)

1. LSU
2. Alabama
3. Oklahoma State
4. Arkansas
5. Kansas State
6. Oklahoma
7. Baylor
8. South Carolina
9. Oregon
10. Stanford
11. Georgia
12. Boise State
13. Texas
14. Southern California-x (not eligible for BCS rankings)
14. Auburn (??)
15. Missouri (??)
16. Texas A&M (???)
17. Clemson
18. TCU
19. Wisconsin
20. Iowa State (????)
21. Virginia Tech
22. Michigan
23. Nebraska
24. Michigan State
25. Houston

That's by conference.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm

9 of 10 Big XII teams are in the top 30 of his "ELO-Chess" version that the BCS uses.

Someone who took more than the bare minimum of math in college to graduate want to take a crack at this?

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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I don't have a problem with the running into the kicker call. I have more of a problem with Lewis jumping into the punter instead of in front of him and even more of a problem with the coaching staff calling for the block anyway when you have one of the best returners in the conference.

The call by the refs I do have a problem with was the incomplete catch on Martin. Called incomplete because he stepped out. According to Perriera or however you spell it, in college you just need a single point in bounds for it to be complete, not a full step. It appears to me that Martin had his toe come down inbounds before his shoe rolled onto the line. If you were going to call that incomplete, call it for bobbling it after hitting the ground.