Ralph Baer
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Re: 2011 Atlantic Hurricane Season
I picked this weekend to head to NYC.
I picked this weekend to head to NYC.
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2011 Atlantic Hurricane Season
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Re: 2011 Atlantic Hurricane Season
Are you going there to make some salsa?
I picked this weekend to head to NYC.
Are you going there to make some salsa?
Re: 2011 Atlantic Hurricane Season
Pretty sure if that happens, our LGA flight will be canceled forever.
Pretty sure if that happens, our LGA flight will be canceled forever.
Re: 2011 Atlantic Hurricane Season
Right now it looks like Irene is going to come very close to the Outer Banks of NC later on Saturday, then head up towards New England on Sunday. Of course, trying to pinpoint it this far out is fairly useless, as the average error in track forecast at that time frame is about 200 miles.
Andrew hit south Florida and then southern Louisiana, never came close to Galveston or Corpus Christi, and it certainly wasn't the "most powerful storm ever recorded". Not sure what storm you're thinking of, but it certainly wasn't Andrew.
Right now it looks like Irene is going to come very close to the Outer Banks of NC later on Saturday, then head up towards New England on Sunday. Of course, trying to pinpoint it this far out is fairly useless, as the average error in track forecast at that time frame is about 200 miles.
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We got a call from my in-laws last night.
They got hit during the Sunday night/ Monday morning time frame- apparently it was not all that bad.
But yesterday was really bad. If you looked at the satillite images, you'll see that a HUGE cloud of heat crossed over Puerto Rico, which was just saturated with water. They were reporting up to 2 feet of rainfall. Lots of flooding inland.
So, be aware that the hurricane may end, but the next day may be worse than that- if it's coming your way. The back side of Irene is very J-Lo like.
We got a call from my in-laws last night.
They got hit during the Sunday night/ Monday morning time frame- apparently it was not all that bad.
But yesterday was really bad. If you looked at the satillite images, you'll see that a HUGE cloud of heat crossed over Puerto Rico, which was just saturated with water. They were reporting up to 2 feet of rainfall. Lots of flooding inland.
So, be aware that the hurricane may end, but the next day may be worse than that- if it's coming your way. The back side of Irene is very J-Lo like.
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As the hours go by and new models come out...still discouraging news for New England and the East Coast. Still a long ways out and a lot could happen, but this has a shot at hitting Southern New England as a Category 3...and coming up over Maine as a Cat 1-2. Scary stuff.
As the hours go by and new models come out...still discouraging news for New England and the East Coast. Still a long ways out and a lot could happen, but this has a shot at hitting Southern New England as a Category 3...and coming up over Maine as a Cat 1-2. Scary stuff.
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Yep, but the hysteria in the media is getting out of hand.
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At this point, its ok. The one positive about a hurricane is the warning time. Everyone knows it is out there, and now is the time to prepare. Friday-Saturday-Sunday will creep up fast. This has the potential to reach Cat 5 in the Atlantic, approach the outer banks as a Cat 3-4 and New York City, Southern New England as a major Hurricane. If it takes its current track, we could be looking at the costliest disaster in the US, toping Hurricane Katrina at 31 billion dollars.
At this point, its ok. The one positive about a hurricane is the warning time. Everyone knows it is out there, and now is the time to prepare. Friday-Saturday-Sunday will creep up fast. This has the potential to reach Cat 5 in the Atlantic, approach the outer banks as a Cat 3-4 and New York City, Southern New England as a major Hurricane. If it takes its current track, we could be looking at the costliest disaster in the US, toping Hurricane Katrina at 31 billion dollars.
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You're so right. My bad. I was referring to "Allen." Andrew, IIRC, destroyed about 50K homes. "Allen," too, was a very bad boy, but didn't do the amount of damage that "Andrew" did. I believe "Allen" was one of the few storms to ever make it Category 5 three different times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Allen
You're so right. My bad. I was referring to "Allen." Andrew, IIRC, destroyed about 50K homes. "Allen," too, was a very bad boy, but didn't do the amount of damage that "Andrew" did. I believe "Allen" was one of the few storms to ever make it Category 5 three different times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Allen
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Allen actually made landfall near Brownsville, not Corpus Christi (about 150 miles difference), and still wasn't "the most powerful storm ever recorded". It had the lowest pressure recorded (at that time) in the western Gulf of Mexico, but that's it. The Labor Day Hurricane of 1935 was the strongest storm recorded in the Atlantic Basin until Gilbert came along in 1988.
Allen actually made landfall near Brownsville, not Corpus Christi (about 150 miles difference), and still wasn't "the most powerful storm ever recorded". It had the lowest pressure recorded (at that time) in the western Gulf of Mexico, but that's it. The Labor Day Hurricane of 1935 was the strongest storm recorded in the Atlantic Basin until Gilbert came along in 1988.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
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If the 55 degree water out front doesn't kill Irene nothing will. I hope its a Southeast wind if it goes by me as a Cat 2
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You a local meteorologist? Wasn't Allen one of only two storms in history with sustained winds of 190 mph? If so, how does that not make it the strongest? And you want to quibble about the difference between Brownsville and Corpus? My guess is you've never been to either and wouldn't know the difference. The point I was trying to make had nothing to do with where it ultimately made landfall, so why don't you give up the posing?
You a local meteorologist? Wasn't Allen one of only two storms in history with sustained winds of 190 mph? If so, how does that not make it the strongest? And you want to quibble about the difference between Brownsville and Corpus? My guess is you've never been to either and wouldn't know the difference. The point I was trying to make had nothing to do with where it ultimately made landfall, so why don't you give up the posing?
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Yes, I am a meteorologist. The 190 mph winds for Allen were never measured, only estimated. The hurricane hunters had flight level winds of 185 mph, and estimated the surface winds at 190 mph. Since then, they've learned that surface winds are usually 80-90% of what the flight-level winds are, so the 190 mph winds are very suspect. Pressure is what determines how strong a storm is - the lower the pressure, the stronger the wind because the pressure gradient will be tighter. Allen had a low pressure of 899 mb, which was the 2nd lowest ever recorded at the time (5th lowest now).
As for the difference between Brownsville and Corpus, when you're talking about landfall of a hurricane, 150 miles is a BIG difference. You don't hear people talking about Katrina making landfall near Mobile (approximately 150 miles from where it made landfall.) But why should we let the facts get in the way?
Yes, I am a meteorologist. The 190 mph winds for Allen were never measured, only estimated. The hurricane hunters had flight level winds of 185 mph, and estimated the surface winds at 190 mph. Since then, they've learned that surface winds are usually 80-90% of what the flight-level winds are, so the 190 mph winds are very suspect. Pressure is what determines how strong a storm is - the lower the pressure, the stronger the wind because the pressure gradient will be tighter. Allen had a low pressure of 899 mb, which was the 2nd lowest ever recorded at the time (5th lowest now).
As for the difference between Brownsville and Corpus, when you're talking about landfall of a hurricane, 150 miles is a BIG difference. You don't hear people talking about Katrina making landfall near Mobile (approximately 150 miles from where it made landfall.) But why should we let the facts get in the way?
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Scott-If you have the info-what was the pressure measurement for Andrew in August 1992? My family took a direct hit in south Miami/Homestead Florida. That storm was like a bomb going off. Nothing has ever been the same in that area since and it has been 19 years. I'm not convinced anyone has ever really known what the wind speeds were when Andrew hit as much of the weather measuring instrumentation was destroyed during the storm.
Yes, I am a meteorologist. The 190 mph winds for Allen were never measured, only estimated. The hurricane hunters had flight level winds of 185 mph, and estimated the surface winds at 190 mph. Since then, they've learned that surface winds are usually 80-90% of what the flight-level winds are, so the 190 mph winds are very suspect. Pressure is what determines how strong a storm is - the lower the pressure, the stronger the wind because the pressure gradient will be tighter. Allen had a low pressure of 899 mb, which was the 2nd lowest ever recorded at the time (5th lowest now).
As for the difference between Brownsville and Corpus, when you're talking about landfall of a hurricane, 150 miles is a BIG difference. You don't hear people talking about Katrina making landfall near Mobile (approximately 150 miles from where it made landfall.) But why should we let the facts get in the way?
Scott-If you have the info-what was the pressure measurement for Andrew in August 1992? My family took a direct hit in south Miami/Homestead Florida. That storm was like a bomb going off. Nothing has ever been the same in that area since and it has been 19 years. I'm not convinced anyone has ever really known what the wind speeds were when Andrew hit as much of the weather measuring instrumentation was destroyed during the storm.
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Will this be on the final?
Yes, I am a meteorologist. The 190 mph winds for Allen were never measured, only estimated. The hurricane hunters had flight level winds of 185 mph, and estimated the surface winds at 190 mph. Since then, they've learned that surface winds are usually 80-90% of what the flight-level winds are, so the 190 mph winds are very suspect. Pressure is what determines how strong a storm is - the lower the pressure, the stronger the wind because the pressure gradient will be tighter. Allen had a low pressure of 899 mb, which was the 2nd lowest ever recorded at the time (5th lowest now).
As for the difference between Brownsville and Corpus, when you're talking about landfall of a hurricane, 150 miles is a BIG difference. You don't hear people talking about Katrina making landfall near Mobile (approximately 150 miles from where it made landfall.) But why should we let the facts get in the way?
Will this be on the final?
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The lowest pressure recorded during Andrew was 922mb - 4th lowest pressure ever measured in the U.S. The top 3 were 892mb (1935 Florida Keys), 909mb (Camille), and 920 mb (Katrina).
Overall, it is the 18th lowest pressure ever recorded in an Atlantic hurricane. It's one of the few that reached peak intensity at landfall.
The highest recorded gusts during Andrew were 177 mph from a residence in Homestead and 164 mph from the National Hurricane Center in Coral Gables.
The lowest pressure recorded during Andrew was 922mb - 4th lowest pressure ever measured in the U.S. The top 3 were 892mb (1935 Florida Keys), 909mb (Camille), and 920 mb (Katrina).
Overall, it is the 18th lowest pressure ever recorded in an Atlantic hurricane. It's one of the few that reached peak intensity at landfall.
The highest recorded gusts during Andrew were 177 mph from a residence in Homestead and 164 mph from the National Hurricane Center in Coral Gables.
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I'm not a meteorologist
but I was in Mobile when Katrina hit. that was close enough for me and my camera man. We had been in Gulfport the day before landfall. Good thing we went to Mobile - two of the three floors of the beachfront Holiday Inn we were in wound up under water.
Yes, I am a meteorologist.
As for the difference between Brownsville and Corpus, when you're talking about landfall of a hurricane, 150 miles is a BIG difference. You don't hear people talking about Katrina making landfall near Mobile (approximately 150 miles from where it made landfall.) But why should we let the facts get in the way?
I'm not a meteorologist
but I was in Mobile when Katrina hit. that was close enough for me and my camera man. We had been in Gulfport the day before landfall. Good thing we went to Mobile - two of the three floors of the beachfront Holiday Inn we were in wound up under water.Re: 2011 Atlantic Hurricane Season
When Alicia hit Galveston, a reporter friend of mine had taken refuge in the lobby of the Hotel Galvez when the storm drove through the big picture windows like cr*p through a goose. Quite a bit of excitement. The sad irony of Katrina was initially we all thought NO had "dodged a bullet." And in terms of the actual damage from the storm, I suppose it had, but then we began to get those reports about breaches in the levees.
The problem with "God's gift to didacticism" is that the point of my harmless little annecdote was going to bed thinking that a gawdawful big hurricane named Allen was going to flatten Houston and waking up to realize the thing changed course and smacked into west Texas. Bad for them, good for us. Whether it hit Corpus or Brownsville is a matter of concern primarily to the people of those communities, but really doesn't figure in the little story I was trying to tell. As it happens, I was working in OKC the first week of May in '99 when that huge tornado hit. Flattened about 5 thousand homes. Killed around 50. The last victim found had taken refuge under an interstate bridge and they found her body about half a mile away. Tornados scare the p*ss out of me, hurricanes not so much.
I'm not a meteorologist
When Alicia hit Galveston, a reporter friend of mine had taken refuge in the lobby of the Hotel Galvez when the storm drove through the big picture windows like cr*p through a goose. Quite a bit of excitement. The sad irony of Katrina was initially we all thought NO had "dodged a bullet." And in terms of the actual damage from the storm, I suppose it had, but then we began to get those reports about breaches in the levees.
The problem with "God's gift to didacticism" is that the point of my harmless little annecdote was going to bed thinking that a gawdawful big hurricane named Allen was going to flatten Houston and waking up to realize the thing changed course and smacked into west Texas. Bad for them, good for us. Whether it hit Corpus or Brownsville is a matter of concern primarily to the people of those communities, but really doesn't figure in the little story I was trying to tell. As it happens, I was working in OKC the first week of May in '99 when that huge tornado hit. Flattened about 5 thousand homes. Killed around 50. The last victim found had taken refuge under an interstate bridge and they found her body about half a mile away. Tornados scare the p*ss out of me, hurricanes not so much.
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Proud2baLaker
Master of Science
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Agree. After witnessing a super derecho (kind of an inland hurricane, storm rotates and has strong winds and tornados) Im even more gunshy when storms approach than I used to be. Now when storms approach Ive got every weather map up I can and I am following online and tv and prepping myself to get someplace with better shelter before the storm even arrives if I feel it will be neccessary.
Agree. After witnessing a super derecho (kind of an inland hurricane, storm rotates and has strong winds and tornados) Im even more gunshy when storms approach than I used to be. Now when storms approach Ive got every weather map up I can and I am following online and tv and prepping myself to get someplace with better shelter before the storm even arrives if I feel it will be neccessary.