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2010 NHL Off-Season: Sather is a dink

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OvahInDovah said:
They already have Giguere and the last year his monster contract, and also Gustavsson. They don't need a goalie.
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How about they need a goalie who's still good and doesn't have a heart that will explode if he over exerts himself. :D
 
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Rimbaud said:
How about they need a goalie who's still good and doesn't have a heart that will explode if he over exerts himself. :D
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Hey I didn't say what they had was good! :D But they're not a team that is looking to add anyone in net, which was seemingly where the orginal statement was coming from.
 
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Rimbaud said:
How about they need a goalie who's still good and doesn't have a heart that will explode if he over exerts himself. :D
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They've still got 48 million in defense on the roster. They don't need goaltending.
 
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Rimbaud said:
How about they need a goalie who's still good and doesn't have a heart that will explode if he over exerts himself. :D
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Heh... but if Giguere collapses and dies on the ice, at least he won't be beat 5 hole. :D
 
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There is a rumor (I emphasize rumor, so take this for what it's worth), that the 'Hawks quietly agreed to sign Turco to a 1 yr/$1.5 million deal, if they didn't like the results of Niemi's hearing.

The decision on whether or not they will walk away from or possibly sign & trade Niemi is supposed to be made by tomorrow.

In other news, the Sharks and Thornton are said to be working on a contract extension. :D
 
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3. I think they pre-budgeted 5 to 5.5 million to Hjalmarsson/Niemi and a year of Turco @ 1.5 million fits better.
 
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I had a feeling that the Hawks walked from Niemi and tried to catch lightning in a bottle twice with Toivonen, but at the arbitration value I can see them try to keep him now.

Huet is still going to be handed $5.00 in dimes, three gallons of gas, and told to get on I-90 westbound.
 
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aparch said:
I had a feeling that the Hawks walked from Niemi and tried to catch lightning in a bottle twice with Toivonen, but at the arbitration value I can see them try to keep him now.

Huet is still going to be handed $5.00 in dimes, three gallons of gas, and told to get on I-90 westbound.
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I had a nightmare that the Hawks walked away from Niemi, brought up Toivonen and Crawford to back up Huet and simply said "Huet isn't that bad. He'll pull it together this year for sure."

I woke screaming then I realized that I'm not that big of a Hawks fan. And if they did that, it would be one less team the Wings have to worry about.
 
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aparch said:
I had a feeling that the Hawks walked from Niemi and tried to catch lightning in a bottle twice with Toivonen, but at the arbitration value I can see them try to keep him now.

Huet is still going to be handed $5.00 in dimes, three gallons of gas, and told to get on I-90 westbound.
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And get paid $5 million to play in Rockford anyhow. For a team that's supposedly hurting financially, paying a guy that much money to not play in the NHL wouldn't make much sense. I guess it's a sunk cost though.
 
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GreatLakerMohawk said:
And get paid $5 million to play in Rockford anyhow. For a team that's supposedly hurting financially, paying a guy that much money to not play in the NHL wouldn't make much sense. I guess it's a sunk cost though.
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Exactly.

The Hawks are faced with choosing whether or not to pay the guy $5 million in Rockford (or the better likelihood that Huet pulls a Yashin and goes to play overseas) or have a $5 million backup goaltender.

I thought that if Huet was sent to the minors than the $5 million doesn't count towards the salary cap but I'm probably wrong. I still don't get how the cap works beyond the basic definition ("Team X may not exceed $X million dollars in salary per season").

I like Dale Tallon but he screwed up big time with the financials. Huet and perhaps Campbell were the crowning achievement in this debacle. Hossa perhaps too, but....
 
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OvahInDovah said:
This has always been a gray area for me. Here's CapGeek on the issue:



http://capgeek.com/faq.php

It's a confusing issue. What sticks out for me is that relief only comes when the replacing player pushes the team over the cap - implying that the team must be cap compliant to begin with (obviously). I think they'll be ok to start the season, but depending on where they are against the cap when Sturm returns, they're going to have to clear a lot of space.

Be curious to hear other interpretations. I read KPD's piece a few weeks ago (the one that basically said "no worries"), but after the Globe (I'm not sure if it was KPD or Fluto) misunderstood the impact of the Thomas over 35 signing when that went down, I stopped trusting them on cap matters.
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That was KPD on the Thomas thing.

Since Sturm's "replacement" (call it, Horton, but really take your pick) does push them over the cap, I think KPD's stuck clock is right this time.

That said, even with the exemption, they're awful close to the cap, to the point where they may not be able to bring an extra defensemen or forward on road trips and it pretty much guarantees they won't be able to add payroll (without moving some) at the deadline - all bad things.

I really think Ryder would have some value to a team like the Islanders who need to add payroll to reach the salary floor. He's not a **** player, he just isn't worth the money. And since the Bruins wouldn't likely be asking for much of a ransom back, I could see this getting done. But, it probably won't, and the Bruins will head into the year with zero cap space and will probably have to waive Sturm when he comes back.
 
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redwing77 said:
Exactly.

The Hawks are faced with choosing whether or not to pay the guy $5 million in Rockford (or the better likelihood that Huet pulls a Yashin and goes to play overseas) or have a $5 million backup goaltender.

I thought that if Huet was sent to the minors than the $5 million doesn't count towards the salary cap but I'm probably wrong. I still don't get how the cap works beyond the basic definition ("Team X may not exceed $X million dollars in salary per season").

I like Dale Tallon but he screwed up big time with the financials. Huet and perhaps Campbell were the crowning achievement in this debacle. Hossa perhaps too, but....
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The funny thing is watching Wirtz say "Sure, I'm willing to bury Huet and eat 5.6 million a year in salary" at a ticket-holders thing earlier this week after releasing the article in the Tribune claiming the Hawks lost money hand over fist this year as a justification for the 20% ticket price hikes across the board.
 
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bronconick said:
The funny thing is watching Wirtz say "Sure, I'm willing to bury Huet and eat 5.6 million a year in salary" at a ticket-holders thing earlier this week after releasing the article in the Tribune claiming the Hawks lost money hand over fist this year as a justification for the 20% ticket price hikes across the board.
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Their situation is such a bloody mess.

On one hand, you're right. It's darn near hilarious.

On the other hand, Wirtz also said he wanted to keep on winning even with the losing of money (or somehow downplaying the loss of money). You can't win with Huet.

So, in the [manipulated] words of Bender Rodriguez, the Hawks are basically saying, "We're boned."
 
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redwing77 said:
Their situation is such a bloody mess.

On one hand, you're right. It's darn near hilarious.

On the other hand, Wirtz also said he wanted to keep on winning even with the losing of money (or somehow downplaying the loss of money). You can't win with Huet.

So, in the [manipulated] words of Bender Rodriguez, the Hawks are basically saying, "We're boned."
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I find it hilarious because there is no way the Hawks actually lost money last year. The cap would have dropped by a significant amount if the team with 4 rounds home playoff money, even giving part back to the league, in the largest building in the league, with the highest attendance in the league was running in the red. If you get a hold of an NHL team's books that have been opened, salaries are about 70% of their expenses, so you can guesstimate how much they have to spend. He can claim the losses by saying that rent, concession, and other checks written out to the co-owner of the United Center are expenses that can't be recouped by the hockey team, but the co-owner of the United Center is Rocky Wirtz and the Wirtz Corporation.
 
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Well they did triple the front office staff from 25 people to 75, including some high priced talent similar to McDonnaugh. There is definetly some creative accounting because the Hawks pay rent on the UC. To themselves. (Bulls pay rent too to the UC, and all rent is split 50/50 with the Hawks and Bulls.) Rocky's family owns the liquor distribution rights to the UC, so all the sales go back to the Wirtz's. Income from the concessions also go to the UC to be split between the Hawks and Bulls.


What I find interesting is that the Bulls have remained silent about their losses...
 
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