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2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
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Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
How can you blame anyone but Hoffman for today's loss?
How can you blame anyone but Hoffman for today's loss?
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
Wonder what Rick Peterson's role in The Great Pitching Implosion of 2010 is. There's one big thing that changed from last year, and it's him (not that the pitching was great last year, but it was better than this, wasn't it?) Whatever "it" is seems to affect EVERYONE. It isn't like Hoffman (or anyone else) forgot how to throw.
I don't think we'll know what's really going on, but I wouldn't surprised to see Peterson, Macha, or both gone by the next game.
Wonder what Rick Peterson's role in The Great Pitching Implosion of 2010 is. There's one big thing that changed from last year, and it's him (not that the pitching was great last year, but it was better than this, wasn't it?) Whatever "it" is seems to affect EVERYONE. It isn't like Hoffman (or anyone else) forgot how to throw.
I don't think we'll know what's really going on, but I wouldn't surprised to see Peterson, Macha, or both gone by the next game.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
Are you serious jen? The only real difference from this year to last is Hoffman can't close out his chances.
Are you serious jen? The only real difference from this year to last is Hoffman can't close out his chances.
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
are YOU serious? you think Hoffman is the only one who hasn't pitched well this year? I'm not just talking about today.
are YOU serious? you think Hoffman is the only one who hasn't pitched well this year? I'm not just talking about today.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
The pitching last year was awful, that hasn't changed. The team was average because of it. The only thing we did have was reliable guys with the lead in the 8th and 9th. Hoffman has lost it and now the brwers feel like no lead is safe and that is horrible for morale.
The pitching last year was awful, that hasn't changed. The team was average because of it. The only thing we did have was reliable guys with the lead in the 8th and 9th. Hoffman has lost it and now the brwers feel like no lead is safe and that is horrible for morale.
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Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
On paper the staff is better than last year.
I'm more on jen's side on this one. Wolf, Davis and Hawkins have come in and underperformed. Yo isn't really progressing at all, in fact my gut tells ne he's walking more guys than last year. Trevor has imploded, Soup still sucks, Bush is still Bush, Vargas is Vargas, Manny and Villa have shown flashes as usual. Coffey was the only steady guy. Narveson as a 5th guy isn't too bad.
So is Petersen screwing up Davis, Wolf, Trevor and Yo?
Has Petersen fixed Manny, Soup, Bush and Villy?
Bear in mind if Trevor saves all the blown games, the Crew is floating around .500 with a hot/cold offense. Once the offense woke up, they could have made a push over .500 and possibly the wild card. But as it stands now, it's an uphill climb in a pouring rain, and head wind, a 100# pack and no shoes.
On paper the staff is better than last year.
I'm more on jen's side on this one. Wolf, Davis and Hawkins have come in and underperformed. Yo isn't really progressing at all, in fact my gut tells ne he's walking more guys than last year. Trevor has imploded, Soup still sucks, Bush is still Bush, Vargas is Vargas, Manny and Villa have shown flashes as usual. Coffey was the only steady guy. Narveson as a 5th guy isn't too bad.
So is Petersen screwing up Davis, Wolf, Trevor and Yo?
Has Petersen fixed Manny, Soup, Bush and Villy?
Bear in mind if Trevor saves all the blown games, the Crew is floating around .500 with a hot/cold offense. Once the offense woke up, they could have made a push over .500 and possibly the wild card. But as it stands now, it's an uphill climb in a pouring rain, and head wind, a 100# pack and no shoes.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
Well here is my proof...take out Hoffman from the team pitching stats and the ERA is nearly identical, WHIP is a little higher this year...but still...the only major difference is Hoffman.
Well here is my proof...take out Hoffman from the team pitching stats and the ERA is nearly identical, WHIP is a little higher this year...but still...the only major difference is Hoffman.
Code:
2009 IP H ER BB ERA WHIP
Total 1435 1498 770 607 4.83 1.47
Hoffman 54 35 11 14 1.83 0.91
Rest 1381 1463 759 593 4.95 1.49
2010
Total 346.3 393 202 159 5.25 1.59
Hoffman 13 21 19 7 13.15 2.15
Rest 333.3 372 183 152 4.94 1.57gbp12xchmp
Taking 2 and hitting to right
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
You can’t single out Hoffman. Hakwins, Vargas, Cofffey, everyone has blown up a game at some point. The starters can't get past the 5th. This is a complete and utter failure of the ENTIRE pitching staff. Take these putrid numbers for example:
So far in 2010 the number are at best even and in few cases worse than the second half of 2009 (the OPS is .835!!!! ). If we see the same kind of drop off this year as there was last season…..we’re talking historically bad numbers staring us down. Doug Melvin proved to be a prophet in 2008 when he said “We’re going for it”. They had their chance and now it’s passed. 
You can’t single out Hoffman. Hakwins, Vargas, Cofffey, everyone has blown up a game at some point. The starters can't get past the 5th. This is a complete and utter failure of the ENTIRE pitching staff. Take these putrid numbers for example:
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The staff as a whole prior to the All-Star Break last year:
IP H ER BB ERA WHIP OPS (against)
777.2 769 395 319 4.57 1.40 .776
After the All-Star break when the bullpen started wearing down:
IP H ER BB ERA WHIP OPS
657.1 729 375 288 5.13 1.55 .817So far in 2010 the number are at best even and in few cases worse than the second half of 2009 (the OPS is .835!!!!
). If we see the same kind of drop off this year as there was last season…..we’re talking historically bad numbers staring us down. Doug Melvin proved to be a prophet in 2008 when he said “We’re going for it”. They had their chance and now it’s passed.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
The point was Davis and Wolf were to be upgrades, and Yo was to have improved under Petersen, what has happened to them?
The point was Davis and Wolf were to be upgrades, and Yo was to have improved under Petersen, what has happened to them?
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
Shaking it up might help...actually finding a pitcher that can get through 7 innings would be great. But then again, watching Parra and Estrada get through 8 only to have Hoffman cough it up was gut wrenching. The Brewers have no sense of confidence in their pitchers so I think when they get behind they try too hard because they know they have to...same goes with a close lead.
I also think the pitchers are trying to be too perfect. They have the 2nd most walks in the NL. It seems as if the pitching staff is either just missing the plate or running one right down the middle. That has been Hoffman's biggest problem...troubles throwing the changeup for strikes and when he does its not down in the zone.
I hate watching this team this year because its been so frustrating and Macha really hasn't impressed me since being hired but that doesn't mean the Brewers can just fire Macha and eat whats left of his salary.
You know, the coach argument is an interesting one...it can be helpful to make changes to spark the team but honestly, players play and coaches coach. If the players don't show up there isn't much a GM or coach can do about it. The pitching staff has been a huge disappointment because it has not improved. That fact that if the brewers are trailing after 1 inning its pretty much over or the fact that if the other team is within striking distance in the last 2 innings, they're going to cough up the lead sucks. It is what it is but there isn't you can do about it but grind through it and hope the players don't overdo things trying to make up for apparent deficiencies.
Shaking it up might help...actually finding a pitcher that can get through 7 innings would be great. But then again, watching Parra and Estrada get through 8 only to have Hoffman cough it up was gut wrenching. The Brewers have no sense of confidence in their pitchers so I think when they get behind they try too hard because they know they have to...same goes with a close lead.
I also think the pitchers are trying to be too perfect. They have the 2nd most walks in the NL. It seems as if the pitching staff is either just missing the plate or running one right down the middle. That has been Hoffman's biggest problem...troubles throwing the changeup for strikes and when he does its not down in the zone.
I hate watching this team this year because its been so frustrating and Macha really hasn't impressed me since being hired but that doesn't mean the Brewers can just fire Macha and eat whats left of his salary.
zamboni crash-test dummy
avoiding 72% of all shopping carts
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
It's official: my softball team could beat the Milwaukee Brewers.
It's official: my softball team could beat the Milwaukee Brewers.
powerofyellowandblack
Oh so very, very tired
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
Dear Mr. Macha, when your starting pitcher, or any player for that matter, is arguing with the umpire, you get your lazy arse out of the dugout as fast as you can to get inbetween the player and the umpire. You don't lazily waltz to home plate and wait for the umpire to come back to talk to you. This is reason #642 why you do not deserve to manage baseball. Maybe my fiance's 11 year old nephew's little leage team could use your help next year.
Dear Mr. Macha, when your starting pitcher, or any player for that matter, is arguing with the umpire, you get your lazy arse out of the dugout as fast as you can to get inbetween the player and the umpire. You don't lazily waltz to home plate and wait for the umpire to come back to talk to you. This is reason #642 why you do not deserve to manage baseball. Maybe my fiance's 11 year old nephew's little leage team could use your help next year.
XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
A fun way to show how horrid the Brewers' pitching has been. Recall, they are 16-27 right now -- good for 2nd worst in the NL.
(Team Batting Statistic/NL Rank):
Runs/game: 3rd
Runs: 3rd
Hits: 1st
Doubles: 4th
Triples: t3rd
Home Runs: 2nd
RBI: 3rd
Walks: 5th
Bat. Average: 3rd
OBP: t1st
Slugging.: 3rd
OPS: 3rd
OPS+: 1st
Total Bases: 2nd
With numbers like those, five Bill Wegmans would have this team currently in the wildcard spot.
A fun way to show how horrid the Brewers' pitching has been. Recall, they are 16-27 right now -- good for 2nd worst in the NL.
(Team Batting Statistic/NL Rank):
Runs/game: 3rd
Runs: 3rd
Hits: 1st
Doubles: 4th
Triples: t3rd
Home Runs: 2nd
RBI: 3rd
Walks: 5th
Bat. Average: 3rd
OBP: t1st
Slugging.: 3rd
OPS: 3rd
OPS+: 1st
Total Bases: 2nd
With numbers like those, five Bill Wegmans would have this team currently in the wildcard spot.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
Why isn't Axford closing? He's got the heat and a nastly slider. Villy is just another pitcher. I don't get it. Didn't Villy get a chance to close when Gagme started peaing down is leg and he sucked at it then too?
Why isn't Axford closing? He's got the heat and a nastly slider. Villy is just another pitcher. I don't get it.
Didn't Villy get a chance to close when Gagme started peaing down is leg and he sucked at it then too?
Biddco
Follow me on Twitter: @Biddco
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
And a Rollie Fingers mustache!
Why isn't Axford closing? He's got the heat and a nastly slider. Villy is just another pitcher. I don't get it.
And a Rollie Fingers mustache!
jmh
win or lose, we booze
Re: 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - Pitching: Quantity, or Quality????
So, Brewers fans, should I use my top waiver priority on Axford? I drafted Hoffman so I'm out a closer at the moment, but if this was just a one-time thing and he's not going to get the job then I may as well wait until something more interesting comes along.
So, Brewers fans, should I use my top waiver priority on Axford? I drafted Hoffman so I'm out a closer at the moment, but if this was just a one-time thing and he's not going to get the job then I may as well wait until something more interesting comes along.
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