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2010-11 Schedules

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I also think that is is bad for college hockey in general that teams can't get a full allotment of games. I can see maybe being one off, but 4 is a bit much. You can't look at me with a straight face and say that a team like Michigan Tech will be a much of a factor come NCAA tournament time except for their rare wins over TUCs.
 
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komey1 said:
I also think that is is bad for college hockey in general that teams can't get a full allotment of games. I can see maybe being one off, but 4 is a bit much. You can't look at me with a straight face and say that a team like Michigan Tech will be a much of a factor come NCAA tournament time except for their rare wins over TUCs.
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There has to be an imbalance somewhere. There must be some teams that have schedule openings. Plus, there could always be the option of reserving a neutral site and playing one of your league opponents in a non-conference game. Granted we (the non-Ivy ECAC) do this a lot because, as stated before, we're big buyers when it comes to non-conference games, and not too many teams want to sell to us because of the meaning of our not-so-flattering nickname.
 
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komey1 said:
I also think that is is bad for college hockey in general that teams can't get a full allotment of games. I can see maybe being one off, but 4 is a bit much. You can't look at me with a straight face and say that a team like Michigan Tech will be a much of a factor come NCAA tournament time except for their rare wins over TUCs.
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Well, if there were more dates or teams to go around, it wouldn't be as much of a problem.
 
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komey1 said:
I also think that is is bad for college hockey in general that teams can't get a full allotment of games. I can see maybe being one off, but 4 is a bit much. You can't look at me with a straight face and say that a team like Michigan Tech will be a much of a factor come NCAA tournament time except for their rare wins over TUCs.
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Try being Huntsville. 30 + 3 postseason in 2009-10, 28 + 2ps in 2008-09, 30 + 1ps in 2007-08 ... etc.

GFM
 
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komey1 said:
I also think that is is bad for college hockey in general that teams can't get a full allotment of games. I can see maybe being one off, but 4 is a bit much. You can't look at me with a straight face and say that a team like Michigan Tech will be a much of a factor come NCAA tournament time except for their rare wins over TUCs.
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Michigan Tech and NCAA tournament are not supposed to be in the same sentence unless we are talking about pre-1980's, it is some sort of rule.
 
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who the hell would Robert Morris play in an outdoor game that could even draw a remotely good crowd at Heinz Field? I'm not trying to flame, I'm just wondering. I think the rash of outdoor games is stupid... BC-BU, while not my cup of tea, was a special occasion between two gigantic and historic rivals - I can see why it warranted 'event' status outdoors.
 
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BCWH Superfan joe said:
. BC-BU, while not my cup of tea, was a special occasion between two gigantic and historic rivals - I can see why it warranted 'event' status outdoors.[/QUOTE

in an incredibly historic setting..........having that at Fenway was off the charts. i wonder if it was at Gillette, what the 'event' would have drawn.........probably well given the rivalry but having it in Fenway just made it a once in a life time thing. If it happens again, it won't be the same, IMO
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BCWH Superfan joe said:
who the hell would Robert Morris play in an outdoor game that could even draw a remotely good crowd at Heinz Field? I'm not trying to flame, I'm just wondering. I think the rash of outdoor games is stupid... BC-BU, while not my cup of tea, was a special occasion between two gigantic and historic rivals - I can see why it warranted 'event' status outdoors.
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RMU is at the max for schedule. It will probably have to be a re-scheduled conference game, if anything. That's the only real flexibility left, at least to my knowledge.
 
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BCWH Superfan joe said:
who the hell would Robert Morris play in an outdoor game that could even draw a remotely good crowd at Heinz Field? I'm not trying to flame, I'm just wondering. I think the rash of outdoor games is stupid... BC-BU, while not my cup of tea, was a special occasion between two gigantic and historic rivals - I can see why it warranted 'event' status outdoors.
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Everybody wants their slice. At the same time though I think its arrogant that it should be reserved to "certain" school. They'll succeed or fail on their own. I think its dumb but sometimes people need that exposition before realizing it.
 
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BCWH Superfan joe said:
who the hell would Robert Morris play in an outdoor game that could even draw a remotely good crowd at Heinz Field? I'm not trying to flame, I'm just wondering. I think the rash of outdoor games is stupid... BC-BU, while not my cup of tea, was a special occasion between two gigantic and historic rivals - I can see why it warranted 'event' status outdoors.
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It has nothing to do with drawing a large crowd. What NCAA team wouldn't want to be involved with the Winter Classic, regardless of how well the game draws.
 
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RMUColonials said:
It has nothing to do with drawing a large crowd. What NCAA team wouldn't want to be involved with the Winter Classic, regardless of how well the game draws.
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And worse comes to worse, if you package it with a bigger event, you might get some beefed up attendance over normal just for curiosity.
 
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RMUColonials said:
It has nothing to do with drawing a large crowd. What NCAA team wouldn't want to be involved with the Winter Classic, regardless of how well the game draws.
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I think what I would try to do if I were RMU in this case would be to do some kind of double- or triple-header with the club and/or women's team, using that to hook in a big-name school with alumni in the area.

For example, if it were an RMU-Mercyhurst men's D-I game preceded by a club game between RMU and Penn State, that could have some legs. As I understand it, the Penn State club team has a very strong following for an ACHA program, which is why it gets tossed around every time we hear about expansion (forget it, BTW: Penn State has many more sports than the Big 12...er...10...er, whatever Texas and Oklahoma are now...and it's hard enough as it is to stay competitive in the "front porch" sports while funding those extra programs appropriately)

I would suggest the RMU women's team and Syracuse, but I don't know that you could coax the 'Cuse folks down to Pittsburgh for women's hockey, especially since they just had an outdoor game with the Crunch.

But Penn State-RMU club followed by a Bobby Mo-Mercyhurst game intrigues me.
 
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RinkRatEO said:
I think what I would try to do if I were RMU in this case would be to do some kind of double- or triple-header with the club and/or women's team, using that to hook in a big-name school with alumni in the area.

For example, if it were an RMU-Mercyhurst men's D-I game preceded by a club game between RMU and Penn State, that could have some legs. As I understand it, the Penn State club team has a very strong following for an ACHA program, which is why it gets tossed around every time we hear about expansion (forget it, BTW: Penn State has many more sports than the Big 12...er...10...er, whatever Texas and Oklahoma are now...and it's hard enough as it is to stay competitive in the "front porch" sports while funding those extra programs appropriately)

I would suggest the RMU women's team and Syracuse, but I don't know that you could coax the 'Cuse folks down to Pittsburgh for women's hockey, especially since they just had an outdoor game with the Crunch.

But Penn State-RMU club followed by a Bobby Mo-Mercyhurst game intrigues me.
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Unfortuneately, Mercyhurst is scheduled for a holiday tournament already, so they're out. (I agree though, they are the natural fit). The women could move of the Syracuse games to Heinz Field, or else they'd be looking at a "5th league game".

The Pens would do any of the above to get RMU involved. The problem is that this isn't they're call. The Steelers, NFL, and NHL probably have a lot more say in what will happen at Heinz Field with the Classic than the local team playing in it...
 
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Spydey629 said:
Unfortuneately, Mercyhurst is scheduled for a holiday tournament already, so they're out. (I agree though, they are the natural fit). The women could move of the Syracuse games to Heinz Field, or else they'd be looking at a "5th league game".

The Pens would do any of the above to get RMU involved. The problem is that this isn't they're call. The Steelers, NFL, and NHL probably have a lot more say in what will happen at Heinz Field with the Classic than the local team playing in it...
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Maybe Mercyhurst can give their spot in that tournament to AIC (since AIC doesn't have a full schedule anyway and is open on those dates).

And yes, I'm aware that the first game of the tournament in question is against my alma mater...anything (legal and ethical) that can be done to improve the chances of a BC-Dartmouth final is fine by me.
 
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RinkRatEO said:
Maybe Mercyhurst can give their spot in that tournament to AIC (since AIC doesn't have a full schedule anyway and is open on those dates).

And yes, I'm aware that the first game of the tournament in question is against my alma mater...anything (legal and ethical) that can be done to improve the chances of a BC-Dartmouth final is fine by me.
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Anything to give AIC another game is fine by me too. BTW - They're looking into the possibility of the Sweden Junior Team visiting AIC.
 
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Patman said:
Everybody wants their slice. At the same time though I think its arrogant that it should be reserved to "certain" school. They'll succeed or fail on their own. I think its dumb but sometimes people need that exposition before realizing it.
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I guess, but I think it makes the school and the sport look kind of silly to play an outdoor game in front of 15,000 people in a 70,000 seat stadium. I similarly thought that the Ford Field Frozen Four made college hockey look silly. They had to close off half the field and there were still empty seats even after that. To me, that was the predominant takeaway, not the fact that they set an "indoor attendance record." Walking around the Ford Field concourse and seeing half of the field blocked off looked mickey mouse.

Plus, there is still some special "event" quality to games like this, but it's fading fast and will only get worse if the concept continues to get watered down with more and more games (including ones that aren't as special... I'm sorry, say it's arrogant if you want, but RMU-anyone, or UConn-anyone, is not Wisco-Michigan State or BC-BU... or Pens-Caps). As a fan of the sport, it's nice to have events like these to celebrate, but let's not get stupid and ruin the concept to the point where there's nothing exciting or interesting about it.

Therefore, I don't think this is just of concern to the schools involved - I do think it's of interest to the wider hockey fan population.

Just my opinion.
 
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BCWH Superfan joe said:
I guess, but I think it makes the school and the sport look kind of silly to play an outdoor game in front of 15,000 people in a 70,000 seat stadium. I similarly thought that the Ford Field Frozen Four made college hockey look silly. They had to close off half the field and there were still empty seats even after that. To me, that was the predominant takeaway, not the fact that they set an "indoor attendance record." Walking around the Ford Field concourse and seeing half of the field blocked off looked mickey mouse.

Plus, there is still some special "event" quality to games like this, but it's fading fast and will only get worse if the concept continues to get watered down with more and more games (including ones that aren't as special... I'm sorry, say it's arrogant if you want, but RMU-anyone, or UConn-anyone, is not Wisco-Michigan State or BC-BU... or Pens-Caps). As a fan of the sport, it's nice to have events like these to celebrate, but let's not get stupid and ruin the concept to the point where there's nothing exciting or interesting about it.

Therefore, I don't think this is just of concern to the schools involved - I do think it's of interest to the wider hockey fan population.

Just my opinion.
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No, I agree that it will hurt the novelty... but its still the same... the other schools want the attention too. I mean, broach the Winter Classic to a Canadian and see what happens... they get upset because they're shut out.

At the same time you can't really get around the "these schools and only these schools" part... I stress again that most of us aren't here to exhalt the better programs. Sure, it will ruin the novelty... but those fans, coaches, and aministrators and will look and say "why can't the novelty belong to us?" So, there we are.
 
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