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2009-2010 Polls thread

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IceIsNice said:
ARM, I'm sure you didn't mean it this way, but one might take your comment as being somewhat arrogant toward Clarkson.
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Well, consider the context. You are predicting that they get swept at home -- zero points. I'm saying that if they play like they've been playing outside of Madison, you will be wrong to the extent that they'll get something. That's arrogant?:confused: I understand that Clarkson is a good team, maybe the best in the East. Very possibly better than Minnesota. Maybe even better than Mercyhurst. But the Gophers have been swept at home in a 2-game series 4 times that I can remember. Wisconsin did it their first 2 NCAA title seasons. UMD did so twice, last in the fall of 2002. So I don't think it happens that easily. If saying so makes me arrogant, what does that make MICZamboni's prediction that Mercyhurst doesn't lose again this season, given that they also play a couple versus Clarkson? Or maybe that's okay, because he's talking about the Lakers, while I'm only speaking of the Gophs.

Normally, once we've played both UW and UMD, I have more of an idea of what we have. This year, I'm not sure what to make of UMD -- they have skill, but they are young and thin. UW just didn't look like a Badger team, and that's while they were trouncing us on the scoreboard. So I expect Clarkson and then Harvard on the road will slot the Gophers a lot more accurately than anything we've seen to date. This might be one of those deals that comes down to how teams match up. I get the feeling Clarkson is big, strong, and doesn't make many mistakes. We haven't played a team quite like that this year, so we'll have to see how we do.
 
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Long story short, there are lots of games over Thanksgiving week that have the potential to really shake up the polls next week. What game (s) are you planning to take in?

I count myself lucky to be in a prime location for seeing a number of these games.

Wednesday - Dartmouth at Harvard

Friday - UMD at BC at noon, then down to Providence v Wisco

Saturday - UMD at BC round 2, return to PC for round 2 number 2

Sunday - Matthews Arena for UNH - Northeastern

Who else plans on more hockey than turkey?
 
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Speaking if polls, I'm posting this here in case you didn't see it on the UNH thread.

We have had so little television media coverage of NH Women's hockey despite having two NCAA perennial powers in two different leagues. WMUR (pretty much the only local news TV station in the state of NH) has a poll posted on their sports main page asking which is your favorite UNH sport. Women's Hockey is an option, so make your voice heard. Even if you're not a UNH Women's HOCKEY FAN - MORE COVERAGE WILL HELP OUR SPORT NO MATTER WHAT!

Vote for Women's Hockey!
 
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Re: 2009-2010 Polls thread

ARM said:
I'm looking forward to this series. Hopefully it sheds some light on whether Minnesota is truly a good team, or if not, how far they have to go to become one.
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ARM, my point was actually that I felt you were being a little hard on your Gophers. Minny IS a good team, in my opinion, regardless of what happens this weekend!

It's like, the good ol' days when Duke and UNC would square off in Men's basketball. Was the loser ever considered not a good team? No way! When two titans match up, someone has to win and someone has to lose, but they are still titans no matter what.

That's all I was trying to say....
 
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DC78-82 said:
Speaking if polls, I'm posting this here in case you didn't see it on the UNH thread.

We have had so little television media coverage of NH Women's hockey despite having two NCAA perennial powers in two different leagues. WMUR (pretty much the only local news TV station in the state of NH) has a poll posted on their sports main page asking which is your favorite UNH sport. Women's Hockey is an option, so make your voice heard. Even if you're not a UNH Women's HOCKEY FAN - MORE COVERAGE WILL HELP OUR SPORT NO MATTER WHAT!

Vote for Women's Hockey!
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Women's Hockey is way ahead in the poll at this point! :D
 
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IceIsNice said:
Minny IS a good team, in my opinion, regardless of what happens this weekend!
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Okay, I understand you a little better now. And in that sense, maybe the "arrogant" label is a little deserved, with a disclaimer. In the ten years of the WCHA, the Gophers have entered the national tournament outside of the top four twice. So coming from that history, "good" starts to take on a different meaning, just like I think it does in Erie.

But I get what you mean about "good" no matter what. We just played Bemidji, and I thought they were "good", despite their lowly ranking. I look at the following teams extracted from a collegehockeystats ranking by winning percentage (that includes Holy Cross, so the ordinal should really be one less):
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Rank Team W- L- T Win%
26 St. Cloud State 5- 9- 0 .357
27 North Dakota 3- 6- 1 .350
28 Robert Morris 4- 8- 1 .346
29 Bemidji State 4-10- 2 .312
</pre>What do these four have in common? They've all beaten Wisconsin. (SCSU and RMU have beaten UMD as well, which to me indicates the bottom is stronger than it has ever been, in part because the top is not as awesome.) For that reason, I don't consider the Badgers to be deserving of their lofty ranking, and Minnesota getting swept by them is a very poor result. Getting swept again at home, even by a very good team, would make the Gophers even more suspect. One could still call them good, but it won't be the lofty aspirations version of good.

So I don't mean any slight of Clarkson at all. The voter in the USCHO poll placing them first could be right. But if Vermont can defend their home ice, I expect my Gophers to make every effort to do so as well.
 
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ARM said:
But I get what you mean about "good" no matter what. We just played Bemidji, and I thought they were "good", despite their lowly ranking. I look at the following teams extracted from a collegehockeystats ranking by winning percentage (that includes Holy Cross, so the ordinal should really be one less):
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Rank Team W- L- T Win%
26 St. Cloud State 5- 9- 0 .357
27 North Dakota 3- 6- 1 .350
28 Robert Morris 4- 8- 1 .346
29 Bemidji State 4-10- 2 .312
</pre>What do these four have in common? They've all beaten Wisconsin. (SCSU and RMU have beaten UMD as well, which to me indicates the bottom is stronger than it has ever been, in part because the top is not as awesome.) For that reason, I don't consider the Badgers to be deserving of their lofty ranking, .....
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Agreed. I don't understand how Wisconsin continues to stay unaffected at their #6 ranking, week after week of splitting with under .500 teams - these losses do not seem to lower their ranking at all. Other teams could lose just one game and slip down much farther in ranking.
 
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sheba said:
Agreed. I don't understand how Wisconsin continues to stay unaffected at their #6 ranking, week after week of splitting with under .500 teams - these losses do not seem to lower their ranking at all.
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The USA Today poll does drop the Badgers this week, now down to #9.
 
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sheba said:
... these losses do not seem to lower their ranking at all.
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And then we have BU. After a 1-1 tie at Maine last night, their record is 6-4-6. The good news -- they are two games over .500 and only have 4 losses. The bad news -- out of 16 games played, they've only won 6 of them. It's all chippy's fault.:mad:
 
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1 Mercyhurst ( 9) 12-1-1 144 1
2 Minnesota ( 6) 13-2-1 141 2
3 New Hampshire 10-1-4 116 4
4 Clarkson 12-4-1 104 3
5 Minnesota-Duluth 12-6-0 93 5
6 Cornell 7-4-1 57 6
7 Wisconsin 9-5-2 56 7
8 Northeastern 10-3-2 40 8
9 Harvard 6-3-1 33 10
10 Boston University 7-5-6 19 9
Others Receiving Votes: Princeton 16, Niagara 5, Syracuse 1
 
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USA TODAY/USA Hockey women's poll

Dec. 1, 2009
Rank School (first-place votes) Record Points Last week
1 Mercyhurst (12) 12-1-1 183 1
2 Minnesota (7) 13-2-1 178 2
3 New Hampshire 10-1-4 146 4
4 Minnesota Duluth 12-6-0 127 5
5 Clarkson 12-4-1 124 3
6 Wisconsin 9-5-2 73 9
7 Cornell 7-4-1 68 6
8 Northeastern 10-3-2 50 7
9 Harvard 6-3-1 40 10
10 Boston University 7-5-6 35 8

Others receiving votes: Princeton University, 18; Niagara University, 2; The Ohio State University, 1.
 
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Who do we think will be / deserve to be the No. 9 / 10 teams will be in the polls?

I don't think there will be any debate over who the top 8 are now (i.e. the top 7 last week plus Harvard).

I imagine BU at 7-6-7 has to make a long overdue exit from the polls with a 1-point weekend against UConn.

I expect Northeastern will only slip to No. 9 because the team still has a solid record and there's a lack of compelling candidates to replace them.

My guess is UConn will replace BU at No. 10 -- simple logic, UConn has a decent record, UConn took 3 points from BU, UConn replaces BU.

Personally, I'd go with UConn and Niagara at this point, with St. Lawrence being the last team out (UConn's road win at SLU being a key point in UConn's favor). But all these teams are pretty close.
 
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dave1381 said:
I imagine BU at 7-6-7 has to make a long overdue exit from the polls with a 1-point weekend against UConn. ...

My guess is UConn will replace BU at No. 10 -- simple logic, UConn has a decent record, UConn took 3 points from BU, UConn replaces BU.
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You're probably right, in that it may happen, but I think that a) gives too much importance to a single series; b) gives too much credit to BU, who IMO has been slightly overrated all season long. BU is a decent team, but they've had a mortal lock on the top ten, when I think they've been roughly equivalent to teams like SLU and OSU.

dave1381 said:
Personally, I'd go with UConn and Niagara at this point, with St. Lawrence being the last team out (UConn's road win at SLU being a key point in UConn's favor). But all these teams are pretty close.
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I'd go Niagara at #9, and #10 is really a flip a coin spot. KRACH still has BU ahead of UConn, but I'm not sure how accurate this ranking is, because they have Minnesota's record off by two games (and they aren't the most recent two.) On a further look, it looks like this KRACH is missing Syracuse altogether, so somebody at USCHO needs to update some data.
 
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