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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
Except the Oilers... Poor Boosh...
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2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
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Rimbaud
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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
I figured you'd be smart enough to figure this out, but no, not everyone is in within striking distance. The perception is there, but with points welfare, it's impossible to make up a lot of ground and jump ahead of teams since they get it too. It's one of the reasons that if you take the final records and adjust them to what you want to see for points, there's very, very little change between the playoff teams. It's not like the 6 seed would be a 10 seed if you changed it, might it happen, sure. Probably the 8/9 spot would change the most and there'd be a bit of jockeying in the middle, but you know what else can change the 8/9 spot...having the 9th place team win one more game over the course of 82 games!
I figured you'd be smart enough to figure this out, but no, not everyone is in within striking distance. The perception is there, but with points welfare, it's impossible to make up a lot of ground and jump ahead of teams since they get it too. It's one of the reasons that if you take the final records and adjust them to what you want to see for points, there's very, very little change between the playoff teams. It's not like the 6 seed would be a 10 seed if you changed it, might it happen, sure. Probably the 8/9 spot would change the most and there'd be a bit of jockeying in the middle, but you know what else can change the 8/9 spot...having the 9th place team win one more game over the course of 82 games!
GreatLakerMohawk
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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
There's enough shuffling of positions so that some teams get bumped off while others can vault from the sixth or seventh spot to vault to the three seed (the division winning qualifier at work there) and shuffle things about even more. Bad teams are kept within shooting distance of the final playoff spots and slightly better than bad teams can't pull away from them.
The NHL wants intrigue to the very end of the year and they've found a way to do it by handing out charity points and altering the league standings for any game that reaches overtime. It's better than looking the other way on obstruction and interference but it's just as infuriating.
I figured you'd be smart enough to figure this out, but no, not everyone is in within striking distance. The perception is there, but with points welfare, it's impossible to make up a lot of ground and jump ahead of teams since they get it too. It's one of the reasons that if you take the final records and adjust them to what you want to see for points, there's very, very little change between the playoff teams. It's not like the 6 seed would be a 10 seed if you changed it, might it happen, sure. Probably the 8/9 spot would change the most and there'd be a bit of jockeying in the middle, but you know what else can change the 8/9 spot...having the 9th place team win one more game over the course of 82 games!
There's enough shuffling of positions so that some teams get bumped off while others can vault from the sixth or seventh spot to vault to the three seed (the division winning qualifier at work there) and shuffle things about even more. Bad teams are kept within shooting distance of the final playoff spots and slightly better than bad teams can't pull away from them.
The NHL wants intrigue to the very end of the year and they've found a way to do it by handing out charity points and altering the league standings for any game that reaches overtime. It's better than looking the other way on obstruction and interference but it's just as infuriating.
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Rimbaud
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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
Any points system has its flaws. 2 for a win, 1 for a tie...both teams fight for the tie. Did you like it when half the league had 30 wins, 30 losses and 22 ties? Nothing says great hockey like two teams playing for a tie when the score is tied halfway through the 2nd coming down the playoff stretch! There is no perfect points system. Did you raise a fuss when they started awarding points for losing in OT? The only thing I'd change is making a shootout win worth less than a regular win (3 win in regulation or OT, 2 SO win and then 1pt OTL/SOL), I don't care to check to see how dramatic that'd change the landscape because it wouldn't be by much, but I bet teams would try and win more coming down the stretch in OT because they'd actually get an extra point and make OTs a bit more exciting.
It's about getting people to stay interested, if people think their team has a shot, they'll watch. Even if that shot isn't real and only perceived because people can't think about the 4 other teams in front of them when they're only 5 points back. I'm not sure how actually trying to drive up viewership is a bad thing, but I know some purists only want the game broadcast to their black and white tv sets from a station in Canada that they can barely pull in.
Any points system has its flaws. 2 for a win, 1 for a tie...both teams fight for the tie. Did you like it when half the league had 30 wins, 30 losses and 22 ties? Nothing says great hockey like two teams playing for a tie when the score is tied halfway through the 2nd coming down the playoff stretch! There is no perfect points system. Did you raise a fuss when they started awarding points for losing in OT? The only thing I'd change is making a shootout win worth less than a regular win (3 win in regulation or OT, 2 SO win and then 1pt OTL/SOL), I don't care to check to see how dramatic that'd change the landscape because it wouldn't be by much, but I bet teams would try and win more coming down the stretch in OT because they'd actually get an extra point and make OTs a bit more exciting.
It's about getting people to stay interested, if people think their team has a shot, they'll watch. Even if that shot isn't real and only perceived because people can't think about the 4 other teams in front of them when they're only 5 points back. I'm not sure how actually trying to drive up viewership is a bad thing, but I know some purists only want the game broadcast to their black and white tv sets from a station in Canada that they can barely pull in.
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GreatLakerMohawk
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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
Believe me, I get the angle they're going for but it doesn't mean I have to like the way they go about it. It's just maddening that playoff positions are decided on a skills competition and that some games award more points than other ones do. That's where my issue comes in because none of that makes a lick of sense. Games that go an extra five minutes shouldn't be worth an extra point unless you're making regulation victories worth three.
And hockey looked GREAT on my 13" black and white TV and walking to school without shoes on 15 miles in the snow was great. WE LIKED IT! WE LOVED IT!
It's about getting people to stay interested, if people think their team has a shot, they'll watch. Even if that shot isn't real and only perceived because people can't think about the 4 other teams in front of them when they're only 5 points back. I'm not sure how actually trying to drive up viewership is a bad thing, but I know some purists only want the game broadcast to their black and white tv sets from a station in Canada that they can barely pull in.
Believe me, I get the angle they're going for but it doesn't mean I have to like the way they go about it. It's just maddening that playoff positions are decided on a skills competition and that some games award more points than other ones do. That's where my issue comes in because none of that makes a lick of sense. Games that go an extra five minutes shouldn't be worth an extra point unless you're making regulation victories worth three.
And hockey looked GREAT on my 13" black and white TV and walking to school without shoes on 15 miles in the snow was great. WE LIKED IT! WE LOVED IT!
aparch
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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
I commend you for not applying the completely inaccurate "Home Run Derby" analogy.
I do agree that the points system needs to be changed to eliminate the magical third point that appears. The NHL went ham-fisted into this whole shootout concept, and there are flaws in how they did it.
I'd like to see the NHL go to a "Wins-Loss-Ties-Shootout Wins" breakdown. Let games "end" in ties and provide three points to the winner of the first 65 minutes (I hate the "thanks for making it to OT point), but provide the shootout so the casual ticket payers go home happy, and "purist" fans aren't as pi**ed off that the points are rigged.
But I doubt Bettman would even consider it.
I commend you for not applying the completely inaccurate "Home Run Derby" analogy.
I do agree that the points system needs to be changed to eliminate the magical third point that appears. The NHL went ham-fisted into this whole shootout concept, and there are flaws in how they did it.
I'd like to see the NHL go to a "Wins-Loss-Ties-Shootout Wins" breakdown. Let games "end" in ties and provide three points to the winner of the first 65 minutes (I hate the "thanks for making it to OT point), but provide the shootout so the casual ticket payers go home happy, and "purist" fans aren't as pi**ed off that the points are rigged.
But I doubt Bettman would even consider it.
OvahInDovah
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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
Well, that 3rd or 4th liner Pouliot now has 8 goals in 13 games with Montreal....which, you know, is a better goals per game average than Fatty has with the Wild.
Just sayin'.
Well, that 3rd or 4th liner Pouliot now has 8 goals in 13 games with Montreal....which, you know, is a better goals per game average than Fatty has with the Wild.
Just sayin'.
Rimbaud
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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
redwing is a Chicago fan who is never right about anything he says. It's best to just laugh at him and not try and point out every mistake he makes as you'll need to do that with everything he says.
redwing is a Chicago fan who is never right about anything he says. It's best to just laugh at him and not try and point out every mistake he makes as you'll need to do that with everything he says.
Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
It's funny really.
Remember last season when Marty Turco stunk so bad and was FOREVER getting beaten five hole?
It was called getting "Turco'd." Well... how much of a joke is it when you yourself usurp a joke?
Congrats Osgood. Or should I say: WASgood. Now it is ISbad.
I don't know if Howard is the answer, but... can't really go with anyone else.
It's funny really.
Remember last season when Marty Turco stunk so bad and was FOREVER getting beaten five hole?
It was called getting "Turco'd." Well... how much of a joke is it when you yourself usurp a joke?
Congrats Osgood. Or should I say: WASgood. Now it is ISbad.
I don't know if Howard is the answer, but... can't really go with anyone else.
GreatLakerMohawk
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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
So judging by that last post, does that mean Osgood now goes undefeated the rest of the way?
Better hope he stays away from talking positively about the Sharks!
redwing is a Chicago fan who is never right about anything he says. It's best to just laugh at him and not try and point out every mistake he makes as you'll need to do that with everything he says.
So judging by that last post, does that mean Osgood now goes undefeated the rest of the way?
Better hope he stays away from talking positively about the Sharks!
bronconick
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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
Hah. No one talks positively about the Sharks. Rimbaud and I even mock them more often than not.
So judging by that last post, does that mean Osgood now goes undefeated the rest of the way?
Better hope he stays away from talking positively about the Sharks!
Hah. No one talks positively about the Sharks. Rimbaud and I even mock them more often than not.
Rimbaud
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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
Kent Mother Flocking Huskins!
Kent Mother Flocking Huskins!
bronconick
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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
I still flinch every time Ortmeyer scores. Could be worse. Could be Kunitz or Steckel instead.
*pauses to laugh at Osgood for letting Steckel score*
I still flinch every time Ortmeyer scores. Could be worse. Could be Kunitz or Steckel instead.
*pauses to laugh at Osgood for letting Steckel score*
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unh_hockey
pain is temporary pride is forever
Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
flashes of exeter, and eaves right there.
...ty2k coming out to drop the mitts? that woulda been a beaut.
flashes of exeter, and eaves right there.
...ty2k coming out to drop the mitts? that woulda been a beaut.
OvahInDovah
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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
Habs release Laraque...
Nice guy, bad hockey player
Edit: Interesting comments from Bob in his presser:
http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100121/mtl_laraque_released100121/20100121/?hub=MontrealHome#commentSection
Habs release Laraque...
Nice guy, bad hockey player
Edit: Interesting comments from Bob in his presser:
http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100121/mtl_laraque_released100121/20100121/?hub=MontrealHome#commentSection
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GreatLakerMohawk
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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
Zack Kassian got 20 games for his hit in his junior game.
Stiff penalty for sure given the hit, but he likely caught a bit of a break given that Patrice Cormier is going to get the whole library thrown at him rather than just the book.
Zack Kassian got 20 games for his hit in his junior game.
Stiff penalty for sure given the hit, but he likely caught a bit of a break given that Patrice Cormier is going to get the whole library thrown at him rather than just the book.
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
What the hell was Price doing? That should never be a penalty on the skater there, he was trying to get the puck. If Price doesn't want to be hit, he shouldn't be there. And then dropping the gloves and trying to punch the guy? Note when Conklin goes down to that end ready to drop the gloves Price has gotten it all out of his system.
What the hell was Price doing? That should never be a penalty on the skater there, he was trying to get the puck. If Price doesn't want to be hit, he shouldn't be there. And then dropping the gloves and trying to punch the guy? Note when Conklin goes down to that end ready to drop the gloves Price has gotten it all out of his system.
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
Janssen is a jerk, but he didn't do anything wrong there.
Janssen is a jerk, but he didn't do anything wrong there.
moe24
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Re: 2009-2010 NHL Season Thread 2: Its all going up in flames!
Any contact with the goalie is an automatic penalty. And that is one rule I would love to see get changed.
Any contact with the goalie is an automatic penalty. And that is one rule I would love to see get changed.
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