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12.15 announcement on Big Ten expansion

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ScoobyDoo said:
That's not half bad.
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That's why they would never do it. It makes too much sense.
I personally like Pitt, get the old Pitt/Penn State rivalry back to where it was. Penn State holds a 50-42-4 edge in the series.
 
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schiegs said:
If a Big East school makes the move, that will be just the excuse the BCS needs to boot them from a BCS A.Q., and further concentrate the wealth.

If a Big XII school were to move, they would HAVE to find a replacement in order to keep their football championship game. The good news is there are a LOT of options available for them; Houston, TCU, SMU, Rice, CSU... any of those schools would jump at the opportunity. Another private school in the conference wouldn't hurt either.

Mizzou and Rutgers would be my two leading candidates, in that order.
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Personally, if a conference shake up results in a loss of another Football School from the Big East, I think that would be the time they would tell Notre Dame that they have to have their football team join the Big East or they'll kick the rest of ND's sports out of the Big East. The MAC would be more than happy to have ND basketball and the like in it, but I just don't see ND lowering their other teams to the MAC. Frankly, ND needs its other sports in the Big East more than the Big East needs ND Basketball. At the least, something like a 4 or 5 games a year deal where ND plays the Big East Football schools, and 2 of them would be on the road. The Big East would want to keep their status as a BCS conference, and them adding ND Football would help them out if they lost another team.
 
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Only prob w mizzou is that they really get nothing out of it. How is Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State (articles list for a south B10 conf) for a list of rivals any better than Kansas, KState, Nebraska, Iowa State, OK, OK State and Texas? The only state Mizzou doesn't border is Texas (which seems to bring serious national rep).
 
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5mn_Major said:
Only prob w mizzou is that they really get nothing out of it. How is Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State (articles list for a south B10 conf) for a list of rivals any better than Kansas, KState, Nebraska, Iowa State, OK, OK State and Texas? The only state Mizzou doesn't border is Texas (which seems to bring serious national rep).
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Get nothing out of it? The Big Ten is a cash cow. For Mizzou it would be all about the money, not the rivals. I would guess that Mizzou would gain an addition $7 million+ in revenue from the Big Ten that they wouldn't have gotten in the Big 12.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Pitt fits better than Rutgers IMHO.
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I cant see a Big East team leaving the conference. Lets be honest, the Big East is a basketball league. Pitt, who is usually a national contender is not going to leave the elite Big East. Rutgers would be a better idea for leaving, they really dont offer much to basketball and have a decent football program on the upswing. Having said that, Rutgers got their bowl game at Yankee Stadium and a few other regular season games I believe in the future.

If any league shuffling will happen, I have to say its Iowa State going to the Big Ten, and the Big Twelve looking at TCU as a replacement. Having your instate rival school being in a different conf. is like Michigan State in the Big Ten, and Michigan in the MAC. Though, its unclear if Michigan could actually compete in the MAC at this point.
 
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NMU8405 said:
I cant see a Big East team leaving the conference. Lets be honest, the Big East is a basketball league. Pitt, who is usually a national contender is not going to leave the elite Big East. Rutgers would be a better idea for leaving, they really dont offer much to basketball and have a decent football program on the upswing. Having said that, Rutgers got their bowl game at Yankee Stadium and a few other regular season games I believe in the future.

If any league shuffling will happen, I have to say its Iowa State going to the Big Ten, and the Big Twelve looking at TCU as a replacement. Having your instate rival school being in a different conf. is like Michigan State in the Big Ten, and Michigan in the MAC. Though, its unclear if Michigan could actually compete in the MAC at this point.
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Clemson/South Carolina is another. Georgia/Georgia Tech. As has been discussed ad nauseum, why would the Big 10 add a program that brings nothing new to the table in Iowa State? Missouri is linked to Kansas, I'm not sure that's going to change either.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
I think you're getting your Miami's confused...as FSU and Miami are both in the ACC...
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I think I just did a poor job of scanning up and down the list of D1 football conferences, but something stupid nonetheless. You've still got Florida teams spread out over SEC/ACC/Big East/C-USA/Sun Belt.
 
Given there's about 500 different scenarios being bandied about here it's pretty clear that, well, nothing is clear. But carry on...
 
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If the Big XII loses Nebraska or Missouri (the reason either would leave is because the B12 has become the SWC 2.0 and all the power is in Texas now, supposedly) their first choice would probably be BYU, since that was who they almost invited before Governor Richards of Texas force fed Baylor to the new conference. BYU's decent in most sports, travels well for bowls,has a decent following outside of Utah being the premier Mormon school in the country.
 
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sweatpants said:
Get nothing out of it? The Big Ten is a cash cow. For Mizzou it would be all about the money, not the rivals. I would guess that Mizzou would gain an addition $7 million+ in revenue from the Big Ten that they wouldn't have gotten in the Big 12.
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Exactly.

The Big Ten has a big carrot here, as they've got strong revenue sharing in place (the Big 12 does not, and the Big East just doesn't generate that kind of revenue, period). The key for the Big Ten, however, is that any addition actually be a positive one in terms of revenue. You don't just want to add a team that brings in little new revenue and the shared pool now gets split 12 ways instead of 11. Championship games bring in money, but not that much money.

Stuart Mandel has some good analysis:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/12/15/bigten-expansion/index.html

Give Alvarez and Gee credit: They're among the first league administrators to publicly acknowledge what the rest of us have been saying for several years: that the Big Ten -- which ends its regular season two weeks before most other conferences --- has fallen behind the curve nationally. Penn State coach Joe Paterno expressed much the same sentiment last spring in calling for a 12th team.

"We go into hiding for six weeks," he said. "Everybody else is playing playoffs on television. You never see a Big Ten team mentioned."

All three seem to agree on two things: that the league suffers from a perception problem, and that adding a conference championship game would help fix that. If that is indeed the overriding motivation toward adding a 12th team, the league will have to answer a difficult question over the next 12 to 18 months: Would the benefits of an essentially p.r.-driven expansion outweigh the potentially considerable risks?
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It's entirely possible that they could just recommend keeping the same structure and sliding the conference schedule back two weeks. Next year, the Big Ten slides their schedule back one week, so they'll play on Thanksgiving weekend. Slide it back one more and they can put Michigan-Ohio State head to head with the SEC championship, for example.

Anyway, adding for the sake of adding won't happen. Notre Dame would be a shoe-in. Nebraska and Mizzou are intriguing, but require more study. Pitt is also interesting, but the business angle needs a lot more study. Rutgers would be the really aggressive play for a school with athletic potential and media market access.
 
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bronconick said:
If the Big XII loses Nebraska or Missouri (the reason either would leave is because the B12 has become the SWC 2.0 and all the power is in Texas now, supposedly) their first choice would probably be BYU, since that was who they almost invited before Governor Richards of Texas force fed Baylor to the new conference. BYU's decent in most sports, travels well for bowls,has a decent following outside of Utah being the premier Mormon school in the country.
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This is incorrect from what I remember. Baylor was granted inclusion over another SWC school, which I believe was TCU. This was of course after Texas break was vetoed and A&M was coaxed off the SEC ledge. The entire break up is detailed in the link in this article:

http://www.fanblogs.com/big12/005466.php

And why would Missouri leave the Big 12? Two reasons. The Big 10 plays in much larger media markets than their rivals. The Big 12 North (outside of Mizzou's home markets) basically consists ofone good media market in Denver and a whole bunch of mediocre to poor ones like Omaha, half the Des Moines market, and Topeka. Even with the 4 major Texas cities and OKC/Tulsa, theres not a lot in the conference and you'll always be 4th or 5th fiddle for TX recruits. The Big 10 has Chicago, the twin cities, Detroit, Cinci, Columbus, Cleaveland, portions of the Pittsburgh and Philly markets, Milwaukee.

The second reason in Academics. The Big 10 offers a lot more prestige than the Big 12. Outside of UT and possibly Colorado and A&M, every single school in the Big 12 would be among the worst in the Big 10. As I understand, the Big 10 still has a strong academic cooperative association to go along with the athletic conference. Missouri would love to get a piece of that.
 
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blockski said:
Utah isn't a Mormon school per se, but it's got a huge student Mormon population. About 50%, IIRC.
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Considering Mormons probably make up a significant majority of the state this makes sense. Sorry to derail this some, but other than BYU (and now their HA campus) I have never heard of another Mormon school. Just got me curious.

This may have been discussed earlier but I was under the impression the Big Ten went far beyond athletics and there is a very close academic association/relationship between the schools as well? I can't remember where I read this.....and in fact I seem to remember The University Of Chicago was still a member of the Big Ten in an academic sense. Or, maybe I'm having another bad flashback. :)
 
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