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12.15 announcement on Big Ten expansion

Re: 12.15 announcement on Big Ten expansion

BoomGoestheDynamite said:
I went to visit a few buddies of mine at U of A when I was in college and I imagine its a school for Mormons who aren't really into the whole Mormonism thing.
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The term is "Jack Mormon," and nobody is wilder than a 20-something JM. Add to this that an Arizona 3 is a Minnesota 8 (or a Massachusetts 10), and they have quite the place in Tucson.
 
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Dirty said:
14,000 students doesn't seem tiny to me.:p
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Ok, 20 years ago, they were a tiny school.

Holy cow, now there are as many students going to Rexburg as there are going to Moscow! Man, how time changes things.
 
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Big Ten cares a lot about academics as mentioned...all of the current 11 members are also members of the Association of American Universities. I can't see the Big Ten adding anyone not in the AAU with the exception of Notre Dame...
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[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Institution	Loc	Enroll	 Endowment 	Academics	AAU	Affiliation	
Northwestern	IL	8,284	 $6,500,000,000 	12	Yes	Private/Non-sectarian 	
Michigan	MI	26,083	 $7,100,000,000 	27	Yes	Public 	
Illinois	IL	30,895	 $1,500,000,000 	39	Yes	Public 	
Wisconsin	WI	28,999	 $1,600,000,000 	39	Yes	Public 	
Penn State	PA	36,612	 $1,600,000,000 	47	Yes	Public 	
Ohio State	OH	40,212	 $2,300,000,000 	53	Yes	Public 	
Purdue U	IN	31,290	 $1,800,000,000 	61	Yes	Public 	
Minnesota	MN	38,645	 $2,800,000,000 	61	Yes	Public 	
Indiana U	IN	30,394	 $1,600,000,000 	71	Yes	Public 	
Michigan State	MI	36,072	 $1,200,000,000 	71	Yes	Public 	
Iowa      U	IA	20,907	 $1,000,000,000 	71	Yes	Public 	[/COLOR]
Notre Dame	IN	11,415	 $6,500,000,000 	20	[COLOR="Red"]No[/COLOR]	Private/Catholic 	
Texas     U	[COLOR="Red"]TX[/COLOR]	49,696	 $7,200,000,000 	47	Yes	Public 	
Pittsburgh	PA	32,105	 $2,800,000,000 	56	Yes	Public/State-Related	
Syracuse	[COLOR="Red"]NY[/COLOR]	18,247	 $1,100,000,000 	58	Yes	Private/Non-sectarian 	
Connecticut	CT	28,411	 $300,000,000 		66	[COLOR="Red"]No[/COLOR]	Public 
Rutgers   U	[COLOR="Red"]NJ[/COLOR]	34,696	 $700,000,000 		66	Yes	Public 
Colorado	[COLOR="Red"]CO[/COLOR]	30,128	 $700,000,000 		77	Yes	Public 
Iowa State	IA	27,945	 $600,000,000 		[COLOR="Red"]88[/COLOR]	Yes	Public 
Kansas   U	KS	30,004	 $1,200,000,000 	[COLOR="Red"]96[/COLOR]	Yes	Public 	
Nebraska	NE	23,573	 $1,300,000,000 [COLOR="Red"]	96[/COLOR]	Yes	Public 	
Missouri	MO	30,831	 $1,100,000,000 	[COLOR="Red"]102[/COLOR]	Yes	Public 	
Cincinnati	OH	36,518	 $1,185,000,000 	[COLOR="Red"]Tier 3	No[/COLOR]	Public
Academics is based on US News & World Report Rankings
 
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kdilks said:
Northwestern is also a private school, it's not an issue. Having "more" of a following means nothing if both followings are negligibly small. According to USNWR rankings, Rutgers would decidedly be in the bottom tier of the Big Ten with respect to engineering. Illinois/Michigan/Purdue are top 10, Northwestern/Wisconsin/Penn State/Minnesota/are top 25 (OSU is top 30), and Rutgers is around 50. Only Michigan State and Iowa are comparable in engineering (Indiana University doesn't do engineering, probably because of Purdue/IUPUI). "Better than Michigan State" isn't much of a selling point for academics.
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I hate to say it but there is more to it than just Engineering. Like I mentioned their pharmacy program is going to be better than any school currently in the Big 10. They also have plenty of other programs that are among the top in the country.
 
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Kepler said:
The term is "Jack Mormon," and nobody is wilder than a 20-something JM. Add to this that an Arizona 3 is a Minnesota 8 (or a Massachusetts 10), and they have quite the place in Tucson.
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That would make them like a Cornell 17.5. I kid, I kid. Sort of.
 
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BoomGoestheDynamite said:
I went to visit a few buddies of mine at U of A when I was in college and I imagine its a school for Mormons who aren't really into the whole Mormonism thing.
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I dated a mormon chick like that, actually just broke up with her about 3 weeks ago. She was pretty naughty lol...turned out to be psycho though..
 
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startthebus said:
Yeah, have kids and start a family at age 19, ***!?
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I was talking more about how he dictated the book of mormon by Translating the Golden Plates using the "Urim and Thummim" (the silver spectacles with lenses made of seer stones).
 
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CHFAN222 said:
I hate to say it but there is more to it than just Engineering. Like I mentioned their pharmacy program is going to be better than any school currently in the Big 10. They also have plenty of other programs that are among the top in the country.
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If they have plenty of other programs that are top in the country, why would you specifically bring one up that isn't?

Also, according to USNWR rankings, Rutgers would be behind all 6 Big Ten schools which offer a graduate program in pharmacy.
 
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I think the front runner has to be Pittsburgh. Rival with Penn State, in the AAU, big Football/Basketball School, Good Attendance, History, Academics in line with Big Ten...
 
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CHFAN222 said:
I hate to say it but there is more to it than just Engineering. Like I mentioned their pharmacy program is going to be better than any school currently in the Big 10.
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Minnesota is consistently in the top 3 in every ranking that is published on pharmacy programs.

That is all I have to add to this conversation.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
I think the front runner has to be Pittsburgh. Rival with Penn State, in the AAU, big Football/Basketball School, Good Attendance, History, Academics in line with Big Ten...
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I agree.

Unless Notre Dame can convince the Big Ten to allow ND to sell rights to the home games and keep all revenue (and not be subject to revenue sharing). Then this debate is over I would think.

In fact, I could see this happening. Not likely, but the Big Ten is probably willing to make a few sacrifices if necessary to bring in ND.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
I think the front runner has to be Pittsburgh. Rival with Penn State, in the AAU, big Football/Basketball School, Good Attendance, History, Academics in line with Big Ten...
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I prefer Syracuse. It pretty much rivals Pitt on all those fronts. Perhaps its a little down in some sports relative to to Pitt...but is a very storied school.

The big reason is that (and maybe its just me) Pitt seems like a city school...a big one...but a regional school none the less. It seems that its constantly in PSU's shadow. And really offers little beyond, well its a school that fits.

SU is the largest rep school between PSU and the border...and over to New England. Between PSU and SU, the Big 10 bridges effectively over to the east coast. Indeed, it brings 'big tracts of land'. I can see showcase games held regulary in NYC...that could boost revenue, reputations and recruiting all around the conference.

Mizzou is a bit of a different animal...almost have to decide what your priorities are.

Rutgers has the advantages of a very spunky logo:

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