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117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

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dxmnkd316 said:
You know what? This battle of culture wars is the war of attrition we needed. The GOP can rig the votes all they want. But they don't control the spending power of the United States, much less the rest of the world. Eventually these companies are going to stop giving to the GOP as the significantly larger democratic base says fuck this we don't need to buy your product.
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I've thought for a while that consumer unions are the 21st century unions. Our labor doesn't matter anymore so you can fuck us? Fine. Our spending matters. Try to supply side that.
 
Handyman said:
Coke and Delta will always donate to those that help their bottom line.
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This. Corporations care about electing pols who will keep taxes low and/or full of exploitable loopholes. Everything else is just a matter of good, smart marketing to the largest possible consumer base. Boomers are PO'd that the generational shift is in full swing and no one gives a sh*t about their Reagan era values anymore. It's ironic because they should've seen it coming ever since they fell for "Buy the World a Coke" when they were teenagers, while their own parents undoubtedly complained that America was going to hell in a handbasket because of those godd@mn pinko commie hippies.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
This. Corporations care about electing pols who will keep taxes low and/or full of exploitable loopholes. Everything else is just a matter of good, smart marketing to the largest possible consumer base. Boomers are PO'd that the generational shift is in full swing and no one gives a sh*t about their Reagan era values anymore. It's ironic because they should've seen it coming ever since they fell for "Buy the World a Coke" when they were teenagers, while their own parents undoubtedly complained that America was going to hell in a handbasket because of those godd@mn pinko commie hippies.
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Who the fuck can say no to Donald Draper?
 
Handyman said:
I doubt it. A lot of these companies pay little to no corporate tax because of the GOP they don't give a crap what the average person thinks. Even the ones who fled after the Insurrection will be back supporting GOPers by the Midterms. This is all BS political theater.

Coke and Delta will always donate to those that help their bottom line.
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Maybe, but I doubt it. I don't remember (because I have the attention span of a goldfish) a time like this where companies are having their feet held to the fire on social issues. Usually they stick to the tax laws like you said. Companies and entities are now publicly condemning and punishing this bad behavior.

This is a major change.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Maybe, but I doubt it. I don't remember (because I have the attention span of a goldfish) a time like this where companies are having their feet held to the fire on social issues. Usually they stick to the tax laws like you said. Companies and entities are now publicly condemning and punishing this bad behavior.

This is a major change.
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Is it? I don't much see it I wont lie. There has always been social movements like this where people call for boycotts and if the media picks it up the company puts out a friendly press release to end the news cycle and makes some superficial change to appease the mob. Then 6 months later everyone forgets and the cycle continues.

We like to think because things are louder things are changing. They really aren't. GA isn't changing their law, and no other state that deals with this will either. Coke is not going to risk their sweet low corporate tax rates just because a bunch of people on Twitter pretend they are going to not drink it because they donate to GOPers. Newsflash, none of them will just like Trump and his moron followers won't either. All the randos saying they were quitting Delta...would have been back if Delta had better prices for a trip they needed within a few months. Tim Cook ripped the law only AFTER it passed and every Apple cult member praised him to high heaven and just ignored that he had zero to say when he actually could make an impact. People want to be placated, they don't have the follow through to actually fight.

I mean jesus if any of this really mattered Chick-Fil-A would be struggling. Last I checked they are doing just fine despite supposedly every Lefty Progressive boycotting them over their religious policies. You know why...cause half of them quit their boycott the second they needed a sandwich while on a layover and never looked back. Their beliefs only matter in as much as they don't inconvenience them.

Write it down...right before the Midterms (or right after depending) CNN/MSNBC/WAPO/NYTimes will do a story that looks into various controversial candidates in the cycle and who donated to them. All of these businesses people are praising now for taking a stand after the fact will be on said list as will others like say Target or Best Buy. You don't even have to go back that far to realize this is true...how many of these companies "stood for BLM and Social Justice" in the wake of the George Floyd murder and still donated to people after that who trafficked in racism and supported Jim Crow-esque laws? Quite a few of them as they were called out for it in the wake of the GA law. Corporations don't care what you think, because they know they have what you want. They will play both sides against the middle and get all of the money.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Maybe, but I doubt it. I don't remember (because I have the attention span of a goldfish) a time like this where companies are having their feet held to the fire on social issues. Usually they stick to the tax laws like you said. Companies and entities are now publicly condemning and punishing this bad behavior.

This is a major change.
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Once the consumer base damage to their bottom line becomes great enough to offset any benefits the pols give them via subsidies and tax breaks, you'll see this happen. We may be at the point where it's begun. The 50+ year old consumer isn't gonna be there to buy their shit much longer. They need to keep expanding their market.
 
Handyman said:
Is it? I don't much see it I wont lie. There has always been social movements like this where people call for boycotts and if the media picks it up the company puts out a friendly press release to end the news cycle and makes some superficial change to appease the mob. Then 6 months later everyone forgets and the cycle continues.

We like to think because things are louder things are changing. They really aren't. GA isn't changing their law, and no other state that deals with this will either. Coke is not going to risk their sweet low corporate tax rates just because a bunch of people on Twitter pretend they are going to not drink it because they donate to GOPers. Newsflash, none of them will just like Trump and his moron followers won't either. All the randos saying they were quitting Delta...would have been back if Delta had better prices for a trip they needed within a few months. Tim Cook ripped the law only AFTER it passed and every Apple cult member praised him to high heaven and just ignored that he had zero to say when he actually could make an impact. People want to be placated, they don't have the follow through to actually fight.

I mean jesus if any of this really mattered Chick-Fil-A would be struggling. Last I checked they are doing just fine despite supposedly every Lefty Progressive boycotting them over their religious policies. You know why...cause half of them quit their boycott the second they needed a sandwich while on a layover and never looked back. Their beliefs only matter in as much as they don't inconvenience them.

Write it down...right before the Midterms (or right after depending) CNN/MSNBC/WAPO/NYTimes will do a story that looks into various controversial candidates in the cycle and who donated to them. All of these businesses people are praising now for taking a stand after the fact will be on said list as will others like say Target or Best Buy. You don't even have to go back that far to realize this is true...how many of these companies "stood for BLM and Social Justice" in the wake of the George Floyd murder and still donated to people after that who trafficked in racism and supported Jim Crow-esque laws? Quite a few of them as they were called out for it in the wake of the GA law. Corporations don't care what you think, because they know they have what you want. They will play both sides against the middle and get all of the money.
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Yeah, you might be right. I'm guessing based on how the situation "feels". This just feels different.

I think rufus makes a good point. It's not the 50+ crackers that Coke has to worry about. It's the Millenials and Gen Z.

All info & graphs from here: Link
  • Baby Boomers (ages 55-75 years old) spend a total of $548.1 billion annually
  • Gen X (ages 36-54 years old) follow Boomers with $357 billion annual spend
  • Millennials (25-35) are next with $322.5 billion in annual spend
  • The Silent generation (ages 76 years and older) spend $162.9 billion annually
  • [Gen Z ~44 billion annually]

It's going to (obviously) matter on the industry how impactful this will be and how quick we see change. But looking at the categories below, Y+Z is > B+S in almost all of the sectors and that's only going to grow as Z starts to have more kids coming out of college and getting their first promotions/bumps in pay. GenX is the wildcard. Not sure they give a shit, like usual. Anyways, my point is, boomers will die and so will their money. Z+Y care about this stuff and have no problem carrying their money to someone else.

I'd be especially scared if I were travel or retail.

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dxmnkd316 said:
Yeah, you might be right. I'm guessing based on how the situation "feels". This just feels different.

I think rufus makes a good point. It's not the 50+ crackers that Coke has to worry about. It's the Millenials and Gen Z.

All info & graphs from here: Link
  • Baby Boomers (ages 55-75 years old) spend a total of $548.1 billion annually
  • Gen X (ages 36-54 years old) follow Boomers with $357 billion annual spend
  • Millennials (25-35) are next with $322.5 billion in annual spend
  • The Silent generation (ages 76 years and older) spend $162.9 billion annually
  • [Gen Z ~44 billion annually]

It's going to (obviously) matter on the industry how impactful this will be and how quick we see change. But looking at the categories below, Y+Z is > B+S in almost all of the sectors and that's only going to grow as Z starts to have more kids coming out of college and getting their first promotions/bumps in pay. GenX is the wildcard. Not sure they give a ****, like usual. Anyways, my point is, boomers will die and so will their money. Z+Y care about this stuff and have no problem carrying their money to someone else.

I'd be especially scared if I were travel or retail.

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I hope I am wrong...but we always think "this time is the straw that broke the camel's back!!" and then the movement dies and nothing changes. It is incumbent upon us to keep the corporations feet to the flames.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Manchin pens op Ed and says he’s opposed to using budget reconciliation to pass infrastructure and will not get rid of filibuster under any circumstance.
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Unless he’s actually going to run again at 76, I don’t see why he’s doing any of this except to feel important. There’s no reason to continue to grandstand these positions.
 
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