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117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!
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Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
So there’s apparently a belief from Faux that AOC wasn’t in the Capitol during the insurrection.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
From your linked story:
So in reality is their move not response to the Dems: https://twitter.com/funder/status/13...810097668?s=20
Not defending the GOP in the least but I don't love this. MTG is a disgrace and should have no power, but the people of Georgia put her there and they should be the ones to remove her. In the house the GOP put her on those committees and they should remove her. The Dems attempting to clean up the GOP's mess in this manner sets a bad precedent. The proper way forward is for the GOP to remove her but yes I understand that's not going to happen. But the truth of the matter is Democrats can't fix this - it's a GOP problem.
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
I will now be able to hear that song and not hate it.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Posts don't display numbers for me anymore; how you find?
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
Upper right hand corner of the post for me...
MichVandal
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McCarthy (Rep Q) said in a press conference that because of Omar not being removed from her committees that Democrats had no place to remove MTG from her committees.
While Omar said horrible and reprehensible things- Democrats condemned what she said- mostly individually- and passed a resolution to on the floor to condemn further anti Semitic comments like that. And then Omar apologized.
Had any of the Q/Racist party done that, this whole removal could have been avoided. The words may have been the same, the reaction was far from the same. MTG can come out an apologize, in public- that would be helpful. Instead, all she has done was say that one of the shootings happened- hardly an apology.
Let alone all of the calls for attacks on Democrats. When did Rep Omar do that? Direct threats on other House members should be grounds for her being removed. This is like dumpy- in spite of him being voted in, he should have been removed for the direct attack on the Capitol, as directed by him.
This isn't a policy thing.
Yeah I’m inclined to agree with you. The GOP can easily spin this as Democratic overreach, and the majority of the public who want Covid relief and a minimum wage increase probably don’t give two sh-ts if MTG is punished for comments she made before she even became a Congresswoman. McCarthy et al. not taking any action is more damaging and long-lasting to the GOP brand- the clearly small section of the GOP who thinks/votes like Liz Cheney- than anything the Democrats can do. Democrats sticking their nose into this will just unify the GOP. Who’s to say McCarthy et al. won’t strip Omar of her committee assignments in 2023 if the GOP retakes the House?
bronconick
Yep, still here
Cheney kept her position with about 75% of the vote. The difference? Secret ballot. So they have her positions but no balls, so they kiss Trump and Greene's feet publicly instead.
Isn't that telling? You insanoids are so dangerous that people are too afraid to vote appropriately for fear of reprisals.
Let that sink in. That is the modern Republican Party.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
I don't understand your point. The State of GA has zero to do with her being on Committees outside of voting her into office. The Dems aren't voting to remove her from Congress, just kicking her off the Budget and Education and Labor Committees which they can do with a simple majority if I read right. She will then be replaced by a different GOPer.
The people of GA will still have their chance to vote her out, in the meantime she won't have her seat on a committee she doesn't belong on. All the Dems are doing is exactly what McCarthy did to Steve King. (and the Dems asked him to do here)
And yes the move is in response to the Dems...that is the whole point. They have no basis for it (nor the votes for it) they are doing it to prove a point and because they are racist as hell and hate her. The two don't parallel no matter how much they pretend they do.
psych,
The House GOP might unify for this specific action, but their issues aren't going away just because MTG becomes a martyr for 12 seconds. As long as she is in the party and people like Gym Jordan and Matt Gaetz want the Liz Cheneys gone in favor of the Trumpers the problem will exist. I think you are reaching there. The vote last night proves the problem isn't going away until the Trump element goes away.
And if they want to flip it around when they get power and start removing people willy nilly when they get power that is the price you pay if you think it is worth it. Omar has never said anything even approaching what MTG has and I say that as someone who has ripped her on this board for the things she said. I have no idea if the risk is worth it...but I also know you can't just refuse to do things for fear of retaliation that is what gets Dems in trouble all the time. It is a mess.
No one is going to vote GOP because they feel sorry for MTG (though some will try and justify the vote by saying they are...they always were voting that way though) and no one is going to flip Dem because they leave her on the Education Committee. So the question becomes (and I don't have an answer for it) is it better to leave her on the committees to cause problems and tacitly legitimize many of the things she still won't publicly disavow or take away her bully pulpit? What do you do if one party, that constitutes almost half of the House, refuses to govern or do what is right? She didn't just make some backhanded comment about Jews that might be construed as racist she was trafficking in some of the same conspiracy theories that lead to 1/6 (including a video where she says they should storm the Capitol in 2019) and mainstreamed some of the most Anti-Semitic and Anti-Muslim stuff you can find. She is on record calling for violence against members of a Congress she is now part of. It is a very weird situation...
Like I said I don't have an answer...because the real answer is the GOP Leader should have done the right thing instead he doubled down praying that she won't cause any issues and that by doing so he will be Speaker if they flip the House. I would probably prefer they let the Ethics Committee handle it but I have a feeling that will lead to the very same issue.
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Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Let it sink in that their voters want it that way as well...
Deutsche Gopher Fan
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Looks like Rs want swalwell removed from his posts because of his cooperation with FBI investigation.
such a joke. There shouldn’t be a worry of bogus receiprocation because one side takes care of things. Remember al Franken and Katie, the woman who quit because of revenge porn pics??
such a joke. There shouldn’t be a worry of bogus receiprocation because one side takes care of things. Remember al Franken and Katie, the woman who quit because of revenge porn pics??
Deutsche Gopher Fan
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Nancy mace, fitting right in with her disgusting party
https://mobile.twitter.com/AOC/status/1357351901063479296
https://mobile.twitter.com/AOC/status/1357351901063479296
I'll let Slap Shot speak for himself, but what I took from it was this: MTG announced herself as crazy before she was ever elected, yet she was elected anyway. With respect to her service in Congress, that's really up to GA voters.
With respect to her committee assignments, while it may be technically possible for the Dem's to force her ouster from committees, it's a questionable maneuver. Typically participation, or removal as punishment, has been the province of the representative's party, not the adverse party, or party in power. If the Dems proceed to remove her, it sort of sets the norm of the party in power removing people from the other party from committees whenever they say something that grieves them.
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The GOP should have stripped her of her assignments, and they chose not to. End of story. Let the voters of her district decide if what she said and did as a private citizen are worthy of her no longer having a seat in Congress.
Ilhan Omar’s comments are certainly not even close to being on the same lines as what MTG’s comments have been, but clearly the GOP doesn’t care whether they’re equal in their ridiculousness/dangerousness. They’d do it because we did it first. I’m sure you and whoever else on this board who is represented by Omar would be livid if she was stripped of her committee assignments by McCarthy and Co. come 2023, as you should be.
Pass big Covid relief. Raise the minimum wage. Throw some climate incentives in there. Pass as much liberal legislation as possible into budget reconciliation and any other avenues that we can. I’m not afraid of the repercussions of liberal legislation, because I know it’s going to tangibly help people in need. If that isn’t good enough for voters come the midterms, so be it. We shouldn’t legislate out of fear on that front, but stripping the opposing party’s legislators of their duties/assignments seems like a bridge too far that solves nothing right now, and could come back to bite us later. And for what? The optics don’t look good for Democrats if they meddle. The optics currently don’t look good for the GOP. Let them set themselves on fire and watch them burn.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
That doesn't matter anymore. We can no longer govern in fear of what the Nazis might do.
Do the right thing, period. Let the rest come out in the wash. Even if we lose, we'll have done the right thing.
And we won't lose, because for once we'll be fighting hard for the people, not just our jobs.
100% agree.
So we’re going to tell Georgians in the 14th district who it’s appropriate for them to vote for? Nah, I don’t think so. That’s not doing anything for the people. That’s just being spiteful.
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