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117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

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aparch said:
This is the failed "Oh noes! A smoking ban in restaurants is going to tank my small business!" argument.



I used to be a "$15 is too high" person, and would have agreed with Manchin on $11. .... Six years ago. Now, I'm all aboard the $15 train.

$15/hr is $31k *before* taxes. Knock off 30% for Soc Security, taxes, etc. and you're at $22k net.

And don't give me that automation bullsh** either. McDonalds (et. al.) were gonna be introducing kiosks, automation, self checkout no matter if they were paying $15/hr, $7.50hr, or $1.25/hr. The bulk of your costs on employees are their health insurance, employer taxes, training, reimbursables, etc. Paying them a few bucks more doesn't affect the budget that much. And if it did, then there was some fundamentals wrong with the setup.
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Maybe we should couch it in the argument that if you pay people a better wage they can afford to buy guns! Make it a 2A argument!
 
MichVandal said:
I was going to say something about my state, but it's amusing for you to be complaining about the minimum wage idea than you trying to defend having kids taken from their parents. Positive move for the country.
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You guys are the immigration nazis on this board, not me.

I have repeatedly stated my position on immigration. I am in favor of open borders. You want to come here, welcome. You just have to obey our laws.

If you actually want to be a citizen once you come here, you have to follow the steps required to become a citizen. Once you follow those steps, then you get a vote and otherwise get a say in how we run things here.

That is my position. I've never deviated from it.

There isn't a one of you so-called liberals on this board who have stated they agree with me. Instead, it's all about questions of sovereignty, blah, blah, blah.

Until you agree with me, any blood spilled through immigration controls is on your hands, not mine.
 
SJHovey said:
You guys are the immigration nazis on this board, not me.

I have repeatedly stated my position on immigration. I am in favor of open borders. You want to come here, welcome. You just have to obey our laws.

If you actually want to be a citizen once you come here, you have to follow the steps required to become a citizen. Once you follow those steps, then you get a vote and otherwise get a say in how we run things here.

That is my position. I've never deviated from it.

There isn't a one of you so-called liberals on this board who have stated they agree with me. Instead, it's all about questions of sovereignty, blah, blah, blah.

Until you agree with me, any blood spilled through immigration controls is on your hands, not mine.
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I honestly don't recall a single post of outrage over what the previous president did, so you can step down from your pretend high moral position. It's fake. We all know it.
 
So in order to try and deflect from MTG...the House GOP now wants Omar removed from her committees. As a Jew I find their disingenuous BS proof they don't have the stones to govern or do the right thing even when it is obvious. (yes I already knew that) They are scum...all of them. And as someone who votes for her (and criticizes her stances on things sometimes) they are only guaranteeing I will continue to vote for her over whatever Nazi they put forth. That goes double for when they race bait by supporting a Black Man. We don't need Tim Scott like frauds in this district.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1357055770840469506
 
SJHovey said:
You guys are in charge. Those things don't work anymore.
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You can repeat a National Review Online talking point as many times as you want. It doesn't make it carry any more meaning than the first time you tried it.

Your games are puerile.
 
Handyman said:
So in order to try and deflect from MTG...the House GOP now wants Omar removed from her committees.
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Classic false equivalency from the party that harbors actual Nazis.

American conservatives will stoop as low as it takes. They have zero limits because they have nothing but malice and greed in their hearts.

Ignore them. They traded (traitored) the right to participate in sincere government when they attempted to destroy it. They are no longer members of our polity, and their words are empty.
 
aparch said:
The bulk of your costs on employees are their health insurance, employer taxes, training, reimbursables, etc. Paying them a few bucks more doesn't affect the budget that much. And if it did, then there was some fundamentals wrong with the setup.
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I guess I don't know your background or what you do, or whether you have ever employed anyone, or for that matter, whether you've even said so on this board. However, I employ people, and have for more than 30 years. I can tell you that the "bulk" of my costs relating to employees is their wages or salaries. That's not to say that other things, like insurance, taxes, retirement contributions, workers comp, unemployment, etc..., are insignificant, because they certainly aren't.

For us, it normally runs about two thirds / one third. Two thirds of the cost is wages and salaries, one third is all the other stuff.

But that raises an important point.

Let's say I am paying a full time employee $13/hr. Their annual pay would be $27,040, but their expense to me (using the two thirds / one third breakdown) would be $40,560.

But now I raise their pay to $15/hr. Their annual pay would go to $31,200, but the other stuff is going up too, because pretty much all of that is hinged to wages. Their retirement contributions, work comp, unemployment, bonuses, etc... When that happens the cost to me maybe goes to $46,800 (on the two thirds / one third basis), which ends up increasing my costs for that one employee by 15.4%. That's not insignificant.

Now, none of my employees earn less than $15/hr., so whether they change it or not doesn't affect my business at all. But to just say, "it's a buck an hour" sort of misses the point of the actual costs involved.
 
Now there’s talk of the Dems lowering the stimulus threshold. They’re really going to manage to screw up the easiest policial maneuver they’ve had since... I don’t even know when.
 
MichVandal said:
I honestly don't recall a single post of outrage over what the previous president did, so you can step down from your pretend high moral position. It's fake. We all know it.
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If you go back and look at the immigration thread, first I think you'll see my stated position on immigration. Second, I think you'll see I blamed you for what Trump did. Still do. I blame you, and others like you, because you insist that some sort of discrimination at the border is acceptable. You, and others on this board, think that it's fine that Trump or Obama or the government in general should have the right to pick and choose who gets in, but then you have the temerity to come and whine to me when they pick and choose in a way that you don't like.

So again, this one's on you. Open the borders and problem solved.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
Now there’s talk of the Dems lowering the stimulus threshold. They’re really going to manage to screw up the easiest policial maneuver they’ve had since... I don’t even know when.
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Attacking the good guys only helps the bad guys. Obviously they are doing what they can. They will need to negotiate within caucus to get things done. Screeching about it is just being clueless about the process.

If it bugs you read more about it and find out where the obstacles are. Don't fall for the DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111 narrative. It's planted by the country's enemies, starting with the GOP and their fluffers.

The only point of stories like this is to erode trust and faith in our side so the other one can return. Don't feed that sh-t. If you're not happy then get involved yourself.
 
Kepler said:
You can repeat a National Review Online talking point as many times as you want. It doesn't make it carry any more meaning than the first time you tried it.

Your games are puerile.
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I'm not quoting National Review. I'm quoting Kepler.

You've probably posted 75 times since January 20 about how you guys have the control and it doesn't matter what the right says or thinks. In fact, I think you posted it again after insulting me about teasing you about it.

May I suggest that you stop bragging about the power on social media message boards and instead go ahead and use it?
 
SJHovey said:
I'm not quoting National Review. I'm quoting Kepler.

You've probably posted 75 times since January 20 about how you guys have the control and it doesn't matter what the right says or thinks. In fact, I think you posted it again after insulting me about teasing you about it.

May I suggest that you stop bragging about the power on social media message boards and instead go ahead and use it?
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You can try to quote what you do not understand, but that's not a useful exercise, and the moment you try to extrapolate you expose yourself.

This really isn't getting us anywhere. I could use a break.
 
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SJHovey said:
I guess I don't know your background or what you do, or whether you have ever employed anyone, or for that matter, whether you've even said so on this board. However, I employ people, and have for more than 30 years. I can tell you that the "bulk" of my costs relating to employees is their wages or salaries. That's not to say that other things, like insurance, taxes, retirement contributions, workers comp, unemployment, etc..., are insignificant, because they certainly aren't.

For us, it normally runs about two thirds / one third. Two thirds of the cost is wages and salaries, one third is all the other stuff.

But that raises an important point.

Let's say I am paying a full time employee $13/hr. Their annual pay would be $27,040, but their expense to me (using the two thirds / one third breakdown) would be $40,560.

But now I raise their pay to $15/hr. Their annual pay would go to $31,200, but the other stuff is going up too, because pretty much all of that is hinged to wages. Their retirement contributions, work comp, unemployment, bonuses, etc... When that happens the cost to me maybe goes to $46,800 (on the two thirds / one third basis), which ends up increasing my costs for that one employee by 15.4%. That's not insignificant.

Now, none of my employees earn less than $15/hr., so whether they change it or not doesn't affect my business at all. But to just say, "it's a buck an hour" sort of misses the point of the actual costs involved.
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Anybody have numbers on how many employers with minimum wage employees take advantage of business-friendly labor laws to avoid having to pay for things like insurance, retirement, bonuses, etc.? At this end of the pay scale does "it's a buck an hour" more accurately describe the majority of the cost?
 
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