117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

[First Time Long Time]

So we can finally get the Garland confirmation going?

Not if Lady G has any say...

 

[Handyman]

Well, apparently not in all areas, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we?

Here is Some Facts for Ya

2019 poll 67% of Americans were in favor of raising it to $15. Even amongst Republicans it polled at 43%.

A USA Today Poll in August 2020 put it at 72% either agreed or strongly agreed.

Flo(R)ida in November had a referendum and the people voted to raise the minimum wage to $15 with 61% of the vote. This despite Trump winning the state with 51% of the vote. (which Florida wants to deny to ex-felons cause they just love discrimination)

The only people against the idea are the staunch Republicans. Democrats and Independents poll high for raising it. But hey since when does it matter what the people want amirite?

 

[SJHovey]

Here is Some Facts for Ya

2019 poll 67% of Americans were in favor of raising it to $15. Even amongst Republicans it polled at 43%.

A USA Today Poll in August 2020 put it at 72% either agreed or strongly agreed.

Flo(R)ida in November had a referendum and the people voted to raise the minimum wage to $15 with 61% of the vote. This despite Trump winning the state with 51% of the vote. (which Florida wants to deny to ex-felons cause they just love discrimination)

The only people against the idea are the staunch Republicans. Democrats and Independents poll high for raising it. But hey since when does it matter what the people want amirite?

Sounds like you won't have any trouble at all getting it through, then, since the D's are in complete charge and it's an idea for which there is universal acceptance.

 

[Handyman]

Not if Lady G has any say...

If Mitch cut the deal Graham can't really do much anymore. When he is no longer chair all he can do is whine. Durbin has the gavel and he sets the agenda.

Lady G. is also making more threats about Impeachment witnesses...and he wants you to know MTG's comments MIGHT be troubling. Not a great morning for Lady G.

 

[Handyman]

Sounds like you won't have any trouble at all getting it through, then, since the D's are in complete charge and it's an idea for which there is universal acceptance.

That depends on Manchin...

But I guarantee you if every state had a vote on it way more would pass it than wouldn't. (if deep Red Florida supports it that is a bellweather) Which again, destroys the point you were trying to make about how "not everybody supports it". The majority do.

 

[SJHovey]

That depends on Manchin...

But I guarantee you if every state had a vote on it way more would pass it than wouldn't. (if deep Red Florida supports it that is a bellweather) Which again, destroys the point you were trying to make about how "not everybody supports it". The majority do.

Ok, but why doesn't every state vote on it? In fact, is there any state with a federal minimum wage of $15/hr? I think California may be close, but I thought there were some kinks to theirs, such as it only applies to certain employers or something.

 

[rufus]

So we can finally get the Garland confirmation going?

For the Supreme Court?

 

[Kepler]

Ok, but why doesn't every state vote on it?

You ever heard of the NFIB, NFR, NAM, and the "other" NRA (National Restaurant Association)?

The same way special interests always suppress the will of the people. Bribes and threats.

 

[psych]

Ok, but why doesn't every state vote on it? In fact, is there any state with a federal minimum wage of $15/hr? I think California may be close, but I thought there were some kinks to theirs, such as it only applies to certain employers or something.

What does every state voting on it or not have anything to do with what we’re talking about? It’s popular. I’m sure in some states where the GOP is in control, and their constituents still want a higher wage, they won’t allow anyone to vote on it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bro...imum-wage/amp/
Manchin is the hardest vote. Everyone has said that on here ever since Democrats won on January 5th. If Manchin won’t budge off of $11 because of his reasons, you take it and compromise with him elsewhere. You’ve been advocating that too, your “baby steps” approach, and it makes sense. I want $15 too, but if Manchin says “$11 or I tank it”, what then? I guess you could bring up the $11 in the second budget reconciliation bill, but what’s the point of that versus now?

edit: quick perusal with no context to how long until they get there, or local versus statewide, but $15 states are California, New Jersey, New York, Illinois, and Florida.
Also, they still have to get a minimum wage approved through budget reconciliation. Of course there are experts that say they can, and some that say they can’t. I guess we’ll see shortly.

 

[Handyman]

Ok, but why doesn't every state vote on it? In fact, is there any state with a federal minimum wage of $15/hr? I think California may be close, but I thought there were some kinks to theirs, such as it only applies to certain employers or something.

For the same reason states dont legalize Sports Betting and Weed despite their popularity. I mean I know you aren't gonna pretend you don't know politicians make decisions against the will of their constituents all the time. You live in a state that didn't allow Sunday Liquor sales for these same reasons. (not to mention Fireworks)

I don't mind if you are gonna do the "just asking questions" bit but don't be intentionally obtuse...we both know you know the answers to the questions you are asking.

 

[geezer]

I find it kind of refreshing to hear debate about whether minimum wage should be increased 50% or 100%, rather than arguments about whether brown people should be shot or hung. It's JOE TIME!

Also, it's very fulfilling to watch Mitch whining and crying like a sad baby about how horribly partisan it is to pass popular legislation which you were just elected to pass. I hope a lot more things get passed in this partisan fashion and that Mitch's mind continues to melt like Rudy's ears under the horror of actual governance taking place in the U.S.

 

[SJHovey]

You ever heard of the NFIB, NFR, NAM, and the "other" NRA (National Restaurant Association)?

The same way special interests always suppress the will of the people. Bribes and threats.

You guys are in charge. Those things don't work anymore.

 

[rufus]

I find it kind of refreshing to hear debate about whether minimum wage should be increased 50% or 100%, rather than arguments about whether brown people should be shot or hung. It's JOE TIME!

Why not both?

 

[SJHovey]

For the same reason states dont legalize Sports Betting and Weed despite their popularity. I mean I know you aren't gonna pretend you don't know politicians make decisions against the will of their constituents all the time. You live in a state that didn't allow Sunday Liquor sales for these same reasons. (not to mention Fireworks)

I don't mind if you are gonna do the "just asking questions" bit but don't be intentionally obtuse...we both know you know the answers to the questions you are asking.

I'm pretty sure why I know why it hasn't become something that all, or for that matter, any states have adopted. At least I have my own theory.

It's an item in which a relatively small number of people in this country have a real interest.

I suspect that the number of full time workers making less than $15/hr in this country is certainly less than half of all employed persons. So do the math. What do we have maybe a third of the people in this country who hold full time jobs, so say 110 million. Lets say a third of them don't make $15/hr, so maybe 36 million.

So you have 36 million, barely over 10% of the population that has a real interest in pushing this through, and then on the opposite side you have small business owners, who are going to be the primary businesses that oppose it. Wells Fargo isn't going to oppose it.

So, when you do a poll about whether you are in favor of a $15 minimum wage or not, probably 80% polled have no dog in the fight. Yeah, a lot of them are going to say sure, I support it. But does that mean they're going to hold their representatives accountable for not forcing it through? Does that mean they're going to go out and actively do anything about it? I don't think so. That's why a public opinion poll might show it's "popular" but the political will to do something isn't there.

I'd be curious about a Cafe poll as to how many persons here make less than $15/hr. and would be instantly affected to the good by an increase to that number.

 

[geezer]

I suspect that the number of full time workers making less than $15/hr in this country is certainly less than half of all employed persons.

No need to guess

In 2019, the median hourly earnings of wage and salary workers in the United States was 15.35 U.S. dollars.

Also, why wouldn't part timers care what they are paid? If anything they care MORE than the people who can get 40 hours every week.

 

[SJHovey]

No need to guess
Also, why wouldn't part timers care what they are paid? If anything they care MORE than the people who can get 40 hours every week.

I'm sure there are some part-time workers who care.

The point of my post, again, is that while a public opinion poll may say 67% of the public is in favor of it, that means that 33% are against. And it is my hunch that of the 67% in favor, a big chunk don't have a "dog in the fight" so to speak, because it doesn't affect them one way or the other, directly. That's why you don't see the big political push for it.

 

[MichVandal]

You guys are in charge. Those things don't work anymore.

I was going to say something about my state, but it's amusing for you to be complaining about the minimum wage idea than you trying to defend having kids taken from their parents. Positive move for the country.

BTW, minimum wage = fill up instead of trickle down. Trickle down has never, ever worked- so lets work with fill up. From a simple economic examination- the people who get paid minimum wage are much less likely to save any of their money- therefore all of the wage increase will go to driving the economy. Whereas for trickle down- rich people save money- so for the same amount of money as min-wage, trickle down will have a very minor effect on the economy- since rich people tend to save so much of their money (or at least tie it up in unusable areas, like trading stocks and bonds).

The idea should be about having money cycle through the economy the maximum number of times before being taken out. And the low end of the economy tends to start by supporting other low end of the economy areas, and it takes quite a few cycles before it even hit the board of directors of companies. This spending is good for the economy.

Even better is if this higher min-wage means that people need less public support to survive- from donations to direct welfare- let that go to the people who need it more- spreading out a limited resource more effectively.

 

[Handyman]

Sounds like the MTG meeting didn't go as planned...

https://twitter.com/LeaderHoyer/status/1357012103345938434

And Lady G. is now saying that the posts she made in the past might be taken out of context.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1357055274914299904

 

[aparch]

This is the failed "Oh noes! A smoking ban in restaurants is going to tank my small business!" argument.



I used to be a "$15 is too high" person, and would have agreed with Manchin on $11. .... Six years ago. Now, I'm all aboard the $15 train.

$15/hr is $31k *before* taxes. Knock off 30% for Soc Security, taxes, etc. and you're at $22k net.

And don't give me that automation bullsh** either. McDonalds (et. al.) were gonna be introducing kiosks, automation, self checkout no matter if they were paying $15/hr, $7.50hr, or $1.25/hr. The bulk of your costs on employees are their health insurance, employer taxes, training, reimbursables, etc. Paying them a few bucks more doesn't affect the budget that much. And if it did, then there was some fundamentals wrong with the setup.

 

[Handyman]

https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1357053461234245633

Definitely easy to take this out of context...