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117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

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One warning I have to Democrats - don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I'm not sure if this is the most appropriate time to double the national minimum wage, but if you can get almost all the other things and raise the minimum wage even a little, take your victory and work on the rest later.
 
Handyman said:
So in order to try and deflect from MTG...the House GOP now wants Omar removed from her committees. As a Jew I find their disingenuous BS proof they don't have the stones to govern or do the right thing even when it is obvious. (yes I already knew that) They are scum...all of them. And as someone who votes for her (and criticizes her stances on things sometimes) they are only guaranteeing I will continue to vote for her over whatever Nazi they put forth. That goes double for when they race bait by supporting a Black Man. We don't need Tim Scott like frauds in this district.

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The real false equivalency is that Democrats came out in droves to condemn what Rep Omar said, passed a resolution to condemn that kind of attitude in the House, and in general pointed out that her words and behavior were unacceptable.

The racists have have done none of that. Had they done that, the odds of the anti-sematic words taking her off the committees would be better for the racists.

But then there's the issue of MTG's death threats- targeting Democrats, her support for the violent takeover of the Capitol, the constant conspiracy theories that have no factual reality in them, etc- that makes it a whole lot harder to compare to Rep Omar.

Then again, we all know, the Racist party has no bounds on their hypocrisy.

Edit- to focus the Racist hypocrisy- they are attacking Liz Chaney for voting her conscience. Yea. Vote against dumpy, you are out, say horrific racist things, attack people who were murdered, and make up insane conspiracies- totally fine.
 
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SJHovey said:
I guess I don't know your background or what you do, or whether you have ever employed anyone, or for that matter, whether you've even said so on this board. However, I employ people, and have for more than 30 years. I can tell you that the "bulk" of my costs relating to employees is their wages or salaries. That's not to say that other things, like insurance, taxes, retirement contributions, workers comp, unemployment, etc..., are insignificant, because they certainly aren't.

For us, it normally runs about two thirds / one third. Two thirds of the cost is wages and salaries, one third is all the other stuff.

But that raises an important point.

Let's say I am paying a full time employee $13/hr. Their annual pay would be $27,040, but their expense to me (using the two thirds / one third breakdown) would be $40,560.

But now I raise their pay to $15/hr. Their annual pay would go to $31,200, but the other stuff is going up too, because pretty much all of that is hinged to wages. Their retirement contributions, work comp, unemployment, bonuses, etc... When that happens the cost to me maybe goes to $46,800 (on the two thirds / one third basis), which ends up increasing my costs for that one employee by 15.4%. That's not insignificant.

Now, none of my employees earn less than $15/hr., so whether they change it or not doesn't affect my business at all. But to just say, "it's a buck an hour" sort of misses the point of the actual costs involved.
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Guess you'll just have to tighten the old belt. Not eat out so much. Do you really need that TV and phone? Those weekend getaways and vacations? Maybe if you still can't get by, get a second job.
 
SJHovey said:
If you go back and look at the immigration thread, first I think you'll see my stated position on immigration. Second, I think you'll see I blamed you for what Trump did. Still do. I blame you, and others like you, because you insist that some sort of discrimination at the border is acceptable. You, and others on this board, think that it's fine that Trump or Obama or the government in general should have the right to pick and choose who gets in, but then you have the temerity to come and whine to me when they pick and choose in a way that you don't like.

So again, this one's on you. Open the borders and problem solved.
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LOL, did I? I seem to recall saying that what was going on at the borders was pretty horrific. I never defended what Obama did at the borders, and vigorously condemned the inhuman treatment that dumpy did.

As a matter of fact, I did post that what was going really just massively lowered the value of the humans, as they are being labeled as so much so worse- which means that losers like dumpy can pay them even less money than they deserve to work. The REAL problem is that companies don't want to pay fair wage for the work, so they hire a bunch of illegal immigrants to almost no paying work.

So you can just go and sleep it off.

Everyone knows what you are all about, so attacking me doesn't change that.
 
Swansong said:
One warning I have to Democrats - don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I'm not sure if this is the most appropriate time to double the national minimum wage, but if you can get almost all the other things and raise the minimum wage even a little, take your victory and work on the rest later.
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It would be interesting to see how many of those low wage people work for massive companies- like McD, or BK, or Starbucks, or any other massive corporation. The large corporations can easily lower the amount of money they leech from the people who actually work to make them money.
 
MichVandal said:
It would be interesting to see how many of those low wage people work for massive companies- like McD, or BK, or Starbucks, or any other massive corporation. The large corporations can easily lower the amount of money they leech from the people who actually work to make them money.
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Totally agree. I didn't mean my post to be in judgement of where the minimum wage should be (honestly, the more I read about it, the less I feel I know).
 
So Minority Leader McCarthy (Q - CA) released a statement trying to straddle the line so hard he'd make a gymnast blush.
 
Swansong said:
One warning I have to Democrats - don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I'm not sure if this is the most appropriate time to double the national minimum wage, but if you can get almost all the other things and raise the minimum wage even a little, take your victory and work on the rest later.
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Normally I agree but polling says the people want it. The way to beat the Q/Nazi Caucus is to appeal to the needs of the people. Anger and suffering are breeding grounds of hate and conspiracy.

And again it wouldn't double over night anyways so it is a straw man anyways. (not that you were using it as one I know)

Give the people what they want and dare them to vote you out.
 
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So Minority Leader McCarthy (Q - CA) released a statement trying to straddle the line so hard he'd make a gymnast blush.
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And Gym Jordan looked away...

I love how he shifts the blame to the Democrats.

In other news the Conservatives on Twitter (the muzzled ones!!!) started a hashtag mocking AOC and her story. (I wont repost it but lets just say it accuses her of lying using an actors name) and it didn't take long for the K Pop fans to steal it and co-opt it. Conservatives are only muzzled because they suck at getting things trending.
 
Handyman said:
And Gym Jordan looked away...

I love how he shifts the blame to the Democrats.

In other news the Conservatives on Twitter (the muzzled ones!!!) started a hashtag mocking AOC and her story. (I wont repost it but lets just say it accuses her of lying using an actors name) and it didn't take long for the K Pop fans to steal it and co-opt it. Conservatives are only muzzled because they suck at getting things trending.
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They can get things trending...they're just stupid things with no basis in reality and the rest of Twitter treats it as such.
 
There was something I read the other day where GOPers in GA were worried she was gonna hurt them. If she becomes the standard bearer for the entire GOP (which McCarthy is now allowing her to become because he is a feckless turd) I am not sure how the Cheneys and their allies are gonna stick around. I may be a doom and gloomer in general but I don't see any way that Party can survive with just the Qucaus under their tent. They can win local elections in Q districts but the Senate midterms could be a bloodbath with the map they have.

Put it this way I am worried about the House Midterms right now...but if they don't extricate themselves from the Qucumbers I would bet against the GOP winning back the House unless COVID really goes sideways.
 
The MAGAts are all over this AOC was lying thing...someone is spreading she wasn't at the capitol at all. Where the hell is this crap coming from? I tried sourcing it but was getting angry the more I read...

edit: It looks like it is GOPers and MAGAts saying she was in the Cannon Office Building not the Dome. It appears it is a semantical argument at best. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/aoc-capitol-riot-claims-b1797224.html

The GOP, if they condone this crap, is irredeemable. If by some chance she is lying then I will call for her to resign but considering Katie Porter backs up the story I will say that chances of that are as slim as Mike Lindell being the next Governor of MN.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
on the other hand she may cost the Rs Seats in midterms so
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This is a key gimme for Dems to gain numbers in Congress. Every single 2022 Republican needs to be pounded with ads linking them to QAnon’s worst Dumpy racist terrorists. In the same way that Biden is a “puppet of the Squad”, except true. Make them pay for the national betrayal.
 
geezer said:
This is a key gimme for Dems to gain numbers in Congress. Every single 2022 Republican needs to be pounded with ads linking them to QAnon’s worst Dumpy racist terrorists. In the same way that Biden is a “puppet of the Squad”, except true. Make them pay for the national betrayal.
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Show them applauding Gaetz and others for challenging, MTG and any other stupid stuff. Talk about the dead cop at the Capitol and so on...
 
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