117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

[bronconick]

So we’re going to tell Georgians in the 14th district who it’s appropriate for them to vote for? Nah, I don’t think so. That’s not doing anything for the people. That’s just being spiteful.

If they want to vote for someone who called for the execution of Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, and others, they can have someone who doesn't have any committee members like Steve King did a few years ago. I think you have the wrong person who's being "spiteful" Ironically, if she just apologized, the whole thing would probably be dropped, but Republicans never admit wrongdoing anymore.

 

[Kepler]

So we’re going to tell Georgians in the 14th district who it’s appropriate for them to vote for? Nah, I don’t think so. That’s not doing anything for the people. That’s just being spiteful.

My point is we don't refrain from doing it because of what Nazis think.

I am not in favor of kicking her out because I want the will of the people to be d-mn near inviolate. But I don't care whether the Nazis can spin it. And I don't care if it sets a precedent which they would somehow abuse because they'd do it anyway.

Cuz they're Nazis. As in, for real, not ironically.

 

[psych]

I can’t say I’ve seen a party strip an opposing party’s members of their committees yet. Just because we can in this case, doesn’t mean we should. What a stupid can of worms to open up right now. Let the GOP do it first in 2023 then, and we can cross that bridge once they strike first. Slapping someone in the face and then when they slap you back you say “See, I knew you’d hit me” isn’t exactly a strong argument for stripping Greene of her assignments because the GOP might do it to one of our members in 2023. Whatever chance they do it now rises to 100% if we do it now, and first. And once Omar no longer has her committees, then what? How does she get them back? Do Handy et al. say “Well f-ck, she’s useless to us now, might as well vote in someone else?” How about if they decide to strip AOC? The part we currently agree on is the GOP won’t give two f-cks what the supposed reason is for stripping AOC. They could say she’s a BU grad, they hate dogs, strip her of her assignments, and then point to when we did it to MTG this year, say “Y’all did it first”, and the MSM prints that over and over again. Maybe Vox or Slate properly points out that MTG is a piece of sh-t and AOC isn’t and that the two situations were completely different, but ABC and Chuck Todd and Wolf Blitzer won’t.
I don’t give two f-cks about what Nazi voters think about all of this. I care about the Biden voters who happily voted for their GOP Congressperson/Senator in the process. They voted Biden because they want bigger checks and a better minimum wage. And if they didn’t, whatever, we’ll do it anyways because THOSE are the right things to do. HELPING people in need is the right thing to do. Do that without fear of elections.

 

[psych]

If they want to vote for someone who called for the execution of Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, and others, they can have someone who doesn't have any committee members like Steve King did a few years ago. I think you have the wrong person who's being "spiteful" Ironically, if she just apologized, the whole thing would probably be dropped, but Republicans never admit wrongdoing anymore.

Didn’t she apologize? Sort of? Can’t say I watched the video. Either way, let the GOP choose to look foolish for not punishing her. I’m okay with Democrats censuring her. She deserves that, and there’s nothing overreaching for censuring such ridiculous behavior.

 

[Drew S.]

I can’t say I’ve seen a party strip an opposing party’s members of their committees yet. Just because we can in this case, doesn’t mean we should. What a stupid can of worms to open up right now. Let the GOP do it first in 2023 then, and we can cross that bridge once they strike first. Slapping someone in the face and then when they slap you back you say “See, I knew you’d hit me” isn’t exactly a strong argument for stripping Greene of her assignments because the GOP might do it to one of our members in 2023. Whatever chance they do it now rises to 100% if we do it now, and first. And once Omar no longer has her committees, then what? How does she get them back? Do Handy et al. say “Well f-ck, she’s useless to us now, might as well vote in someone else?” How about if they decide to strip AOC? The part we currently agree on is the GOP won’t give two f-cks what the supposed reason is for stripping AOC. They could say she’s a BU grad, they hate dogs, strip her of her assignments, and then point to when we did it to MTG this year, say “Y’all did it first”, and the MSM prints that over and over again. Maybe Vox or Slate properly points out that MTG is a piece of sh-t and AOC isn’t and that the two situations were completely different, but ABC and Chuck Todd and Wolf Blitzer won’t.
I don’t give two f-cks about what Nazi voters think about all of this. I care about the Biden voters who happily voted for their GOP Congressperson/Senator in the process. They voted Biden because they want bigger checks and a better minimum wage. And if they didn’t, whatever, we’ll do it anyways because THOSE are the right things to do. HELPING people in need is the right thing to do. Do that without fear of elections.

I saw a little of her speech and it seems to me this whole episode just gives her a bigger platform. She absolutely should not be on the committees but I think this whole episode plays into her hands and helps her cause.

 

[French Rage]

"And that's why we mindlessly obey a guy who put gold trim all over his NYC apartment." https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1357069456946716679

 

[Handyman]

I'll let Slap Shot speak for himself, but what I took from it was this: MTG announced herself as crazy before she was ever elected, yet she was elected anyway. With respect to her service in Congress, that's really up to GA voters.

With respect to her committee assignments, while it may be technically possible for the Dem's to force her ouster from committees, it's a questionable maneuver. Typically participation, or removal as punishment, has been the province of the representative's party, not the adverse party, or party in power. If the Dems proceed to remove her, it sort of sets the norm of the party in power removing people from the other party from committees whenever they say something that grieves them.

Which is why I don't have the right answer. I don't advocate her being removed from Congress (unless she says this stuff while elected) but she has no business being on the Education Committee if she doesn't disavow the conspiracy theories. She has been given ample opportunity to do so. (despite being muzzled!1!1!)

I am not in Congress I don't know what I would feel if I was there. I don't necessarily like the precedent it sets but I also don't like that McCarthy full on trolled by putting her where he did. And make no mistake that is exactly what he did. This crap isnt new, he knew about these posts after the runoff in the GOP primary. Her opponent for the nomination told McCarthy all about her. McCarthy, if he had a spine, would have stopped all of this but chose not to. I am not sure what to do in light of that. If I thought it would do anything I would say censure her...if I thought the Ethics Committee would bail out both parties I would suggest that. Things are just too divided even in the GOP for any sort of pushback against her to occur.

The problem is, once again, the GOP has decided they don't need to do the right thing (or even the normal thing) and just want to keep pushing the boundaries. If no one can be held to account for the things they advocate and spread then there is no way to stop it. Putting her on committees that deal with Education has to be a bridge too far though it is like putting science deniers on the Climate committees it just makes things worse.

 

[Handyman]

So we’re going to tell Georgians in the 14th district who it’s appropriate for them to vote for? Nah, I don’t think so. That’s not doing anything for the people. That’s just being spiteful.

Removing her from a committee /= kicking her out of Congress and barring her from re-election.

 

[Handyman]

I can’t say I’ve seen a party strip an opposing party’s members of their committees yet. Just because we can in this case, doesn’t mean we should. What a stupid can of worms to open up right now. Let the GOP do it first in 2023 then, and we can cross that bridge once they strike first. Slapping someone in the face and then when they slap you back you say “See, I knew you’d hit me” isn’t exactly a strong argument for stripping Greene of her assignments because the GOP might do it to one of our members in 2023. Whatever chance they do it now rises to 100% if we do it now, and first. And once Omar no longer has her committees, then what? How does she get them back? Do Handy et al. say “Well f-ck, she’s useless to us now, might as well vote in someone else?” How about if they decide to strip AOC? The part we currently agree on is the GOP won’t give two f-cks what the supposed reason is for stripping AOC. They could say she’s a BU grad, they hate dogs, strip her of her assignments, and then point to when we did it to MTG this year, say “Y’all did it first”, and the MSM prints that over and over again. Maybe Vox or Slate properly points out that MTG is a piece of sh-t and AOC isn’t and that the two situations were completely different, but ABC and Chuck Todd and Wolf Blitzer won’t.
I don’t give two f-cks about what Nazi voters think about all of this. I care about the Biden voters who happily voted for their GOP Congressperson/Senator in the process. They voted Biden because they want bigger checks and a better minimum wage. And if they didn’t, whatever, we’ll do it anyways because THOSE are the right things to do. HELPING people in need is the right thing to do. Do that without fear of elections.

No we would vote her back in and force them to do it again. The same thing the GA 14th will do with MTG most likely. Same thing that NY will do for AOC. The truth is you can only really pull the move once before it looks ridiculously petty and the negatives outweigh the positives. Plus, most likely Pelosi (or McCarthy) will just make a worse pick in replacement just to prove a point.

Honestly, the best outcome out of all of this (since McCarthy is a spineless twat) is that the vote fails. Have a couple of Dems decide not to do it for the reasons we all don't think it is a good idea (precedent) but also still show how lockstep the GOP is with MTG. (since we know they won't cross the line) Get them on record, and start the barnstorming now. Paint yourselves as willing to compromise and show they aren't. Show you are willing to listen to "the people" [insert jerking off gesture here] while they only listen to each other. Best of both worlds.

And as far as I know she never apologized. She disavowed lying about the school shootings but only AFTER she was outed in an interview I posted here where she admitted she was lying about them being false flags. If she gave a PC and just said she was caught up in hysteria but she thinks Q is trash and that violent acts against the government and Congresspeople is disgusting she would be fine. She needs more than a mediocre press release and an interview on OANN. She needs to be taken to account. Trying to scrub her social media just proves she knows it problematic she just doesnt have the political skill to do what must be done.

Problem is if she does that she is out. She got in because she courted that crap.

 

[Slap Shot]

A Twitter thread detailing her excuse laden appeal.

I still think this is a bad look for the Dems even if I 100% agree with the sentiment behind it.

 

[psych]

Removing her from a committee /= kicking her out of Congress and barring her from re-election.

I’m aware.

 

[Swansong]

I definitely understand the caution you're recommending. You lay out a logical and reasonable argument.


However, I'm so tired of seeing people act outrageously bad, then complain when they're held accountable. This goes far beyond politics for me.

 

[psych]

A Twitter thread detailing her excuse laden appeal.

I still think this is a bad look for the Dems even if I 100% agree with the sentiment behind it.

Yep.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

A Twitter thread detailing her excuse laden appeal.

I still think this is a bad look for the Dems even if I 100% agree with the sentiment behind it.

Like handy said, I don’t know what the options are. Think of how fast the Dems removed Al without anything nearly as outrageous as what MJt is caught saying.

they will equate aoc with mjt because so much of their base is nuts. They worship guns and think healthcare is a joke. They didn’t care when kids were shot up in school (oh wait that was a hoax). Aoc wants people to be able to eat and our kids to have breathable air

 

[Handyman]

A Twitter thread detailing her excuse laden appeal.

I still think this is a bad look for the Dems even if I 100% agree with the sentiment behind it.

Good god...that started out ok but devolved fast. It is hard to sound contrite when you blame the media, Democrats and Big Tech. If Big Tech had actually censored her she wouldn't be in trouble since no one would know about what she said. She needs a PR staff stat...

Pelosi should tank the vote.

 

[Handyman]

I’m aware.

Are you sure because you keep saying otherwise. No one seems to be advocating from kicking her out of Congress.

 

[psych]

Are you sure because you keep saying otherwise. No one seems to be advocating from kicking her out of Congress.

Kepler saying that Democrats telling a strongly GOP-held part of Georgia that their representative isn’t worthy of committee assignments is not doing anything “for the people”, like he points out in the post I was replying to. Quite the opposite. I’m aware no one is arguing she should be kicked out of Congress.

 

[Handyman]

Like handy said, I don’t know what the options are. Think of how fast the Dems removed Al without anything nearly as outrageous as what MJt is caught saying.

they will equate aoc with mjt because so much of their base is nuts. They worship guns and think healthcare is a joke. They didn’t care when kids were shot up in school (oh wait that was a hoax). Aoc wants people to be able to eat and our kids to have breathable air

And that is the other problem. Franken resigned from the Senate for literally nothing (mediocre accusations with no proof) and Katie Hill stepped down because she had sex with a staffer and was revenge porned. It seems these days only one side actually faces consequences for their actions. At what point are we allowed to hold the GOP to account beyond just the ballot box? It isnt like the Dems are getting rewarded for doing the right thing so why keep trying to play the game with one hand tied behind your back?

 

[Handyman]

Kepler saying that Democrats telling a strongly GOP-held part of Georgia that their representative isn’t worthy of committee assignments is not doing anything “for the people”, like he points out in the post I was replying to. Quite the opposite. I’m aware no one is arguing she should be kicked out of Congress.

No he seems to be advocating that the needs of the many (everyone outside that pocket of GA) outweigh the needs of the few. (her voters) Not saying I agree but there is logic behind such an idea.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

The Democrats shouldn't be doing anything about her. If the GOP doesn't want to do anything about her fix the security at the Capitol. Put them on alert about the clowns. Let her be on her committee's and use her idiocy to campaign the GOP out of their seats.

This all will backfire. It always has. It always does.