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0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

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No no
His was a mass shooting.

Kid shoot two people

Duh
 
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leswp1 said:
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I think the principle of not putting people in a position to get themselves in trouble would apply to weapons. It does matter if they have been coerced into thinking they need a gun when it is obvious the people coercing are also not providing the same sort of coercion to make sure they are safe. Sort of like giving a prescription that could do harm if not used the right way but not stressing the risks of that. If I do that I am negligent and culpable. I don't see any less responsibility here. It might not be something they can pin on the NRA legally. Morally I have no problem thinking they are responsible for creating a culture that encourages people who are ignorant thru lack of education re risks or just stupid about them. THe NRA gains nothing by encouraging responsibility. To do that they would have to admit things that would curtail their goal of weaponizing the populace
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With all due respect the NRA is an easy scapegoat. To suggest that they coerce anyone into buying, owning or carrying weapons is like suggesting my wife coerced me into eating an ice cream sundae last Saturday night by musing out loud that she might have a bowl of ice cream herself.

If you look back, the NRA's lobbying efforts were really just a match to the gasoline of a mood that existed in this country that people were afraid for their safety, tired of feeling in danger, etc... You had events like the Bernard Goetz shooting in NYC where private citizens and government leaders were openly praising someone for shooting a bunch of kids who were certainly up to no good, but started to flee the minute they saw his gun.

The NRA isn't coercing anyone to do anything. At most, they are enabling something that "we" (in the sense of the citizenry) already want to do.
 
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leswp1 said:
THe NRA gains nothing by encouraging responsibility. To do that they would have to admit things that would curtail their goal of weaponizing the populace
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Their goal is to make money. If they saw a more profitable business model in busting into people's houses and taking their guns, they'd change on a dime.

They are an engine to generate profit, nothing more.
 
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The Rube said:
Every could be armed. BUT, it's the carelessness and irresponsibility of the owner in this case. Whether they needed a gun or not doesn't matter. It was loaded and not secured; in other words, not stored properly.
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Great way to keep the narrative going that everyone needs a gun, weather they do or not. Always blame the victims of being dumb, zero thought of how they were talked into getting a gun in the first place.

Perhaps we need more people who are dumb enough to get useless guns to shoot themselves. Take care of the problem that way.

Why do we never question what "society" tells people do to???
 
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SJHovey said:
With all due respect the NRA is an easy scapegoat. To suggest that they coerce anyone into buying, owning or carrying weapons is like suggesting my wife coerced me into eating an ice cream sundae last Saturday night by musing out loud that she might have a bowl of ice cream herself.

If you look back, the NRA's lobbying efforts were really just a match to the gasoline of a mood that existed in this country that people were afraid for their safety, tired of feeling in danger, etc... You had events like the Bernard Goetz shooting in NYC where private citizens and government leaders were openly praising someone for shooting a bunch of kids who were certainly up to no good, but started to flee the minute they saw his gun.

The NRA isn't coercing anyone to do anything. At most, they are enabling something that "we" (in the sense of the citizenry) already want to do.
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If you say so.

They never get people in a panic that guns will be taken away from you. ever.

They never get on the bandwagon that society is so very, very dangerous- so you need a gun. Even when hard data says otherwise.

For the last 40 years, the NRA has only been looking out for the weapon manufacturing industry. Not you or me. But for the cubic dollars.

Wake up and at least question what is going on. I'm not asking you to change your mind, but at least read what you wrote and question if that really makes sense. Especially since the actual crime data in this country shows a decline.
 
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Kepler said:
The NRA isn't where the money shows up. They're a stalking horse for the death merchants. Would you argue that the GOP isn't profitable if the GOP coffers were low?
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Yes, yes, I see my mistake. Still. If the NRA is declaring bankruptcy that's less lobby money to Congress.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
That was NOT their original purpose.
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According to Bowling for Columbine it started out as a sportsman's society with youth groups to teach shooting and safety. Essentially, the boy scouts. So imagine if Big Archery took over the boy scouts and started lobbying that every home in America should have rapid fire/reload bows and hollow point arrows, and bought Congressmen to strike down all laws regulating bows and arrows as "Unconstitutional."
 
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alfablue said:
Great way to keep the narrative going that everyone needs a gun, weather they do or not. Always blame the victims of being dumb, zero thought of how they were talked into getting a gun in the first place.

Perhaps we need more people who are dumb enough to get useless guns to shoot themselves. Take care of the problem that way.

Why do we never question what "society" tells people do to???
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Talked into getting a gun? What is the woman 12? Come on man I hate the NRA but they arent talking anyone into anything. These people are buying guns because they have reasons (or they like guns) to not because the NRA told them too.

And your other point about "taking your guns away" gets gun owners to buy MORE guns. It doesnt make people buy their first gun.

Sorry, but that narrative is just stupid.
 
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Handyman said:
Talked into getting a gun? What is the woman 12? Come on man I hate the NRA but they arent talking anyone into anything. These people are buying guns because they have reasons to not because the NRA told them too.
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So, you don't believe campaigns work? Cause it's been a consistent campaign of advertising and fear mongering. I'd like to think humanity is above that but I live in the United States so I know that's not true.
 
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Darwin awards don’t need to involve death. All you need to do is creatively take yourself out of the gene pool.
 
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