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[The Rube]

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This would require a background check for private transfers

Did you even read what you quoted?

I'm in for that. Not even a question.

 

[unofan]

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Last 2 letters

So what's the difference? Why does a mother have to sacrifice herself but the father doesn't have to do jack ****?

 

[bostonewe]

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Trade: The above (below?) legislation in return for abortion restrictions.

joe -- I usually take your posts with a grain of salt and treat them as someone presenting the respectable opposition to many of my opinions.

Upon reading the above post, I literally felt like I'd been punched in the gut. Your proposition would take away the rights of millions of women without their consent. You've told them, "I think of you as breeders, not as humans." Literally as an object. I cannot describe to you what that feels like other than as I did above.

I do not want to honestly believe you'd be so glib if we were having this debate face to face (at least I can only hope).

There isn't an agenda or response to your post that I can formulate.

 

[BassAle]

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Compromise is not in your blood. So, no gun control deal. You may put the blood of the murdered on my hands. I'll lay the dismembered body parts of the unborn on yours.

No

a *** for tat is not a compromise. Gun regulations and abortion are two completely different things and should be discussed and decided upon completely independently.

This is a compromise: instead of repealing the second amendment, we require stricter background checks and mandatory license and insurance for firearms

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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joe -- I usually take your posts with a grain of salt and treat them as someone presenting the respectable opposition to many of my opinions.

Upon reading the above post, I literally felt like I'd been punched in the gut. Your proposition would take away the rights of millions of women without their consent. You've told them, "I think of you as breeders, not as humans." Literally as an object. I cannot describe to you what that feels like other than as I did above.

I do not want to honestly believe you'd be so glib if we were having this debate face to face (at least I can only hope).

There isn't an agenda or response to your post that I can formulate.

Regardless of what joe was trying to do it is one of the issues that keeps getting Republicans elected to office. And, what's sad about it is there are a million things that we could be doing (supported by Democrats) to reduce the number of abortions in this country and the Republicans support none of them.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Compromise is not in your blood. So, no gun control deal. You may put the blood of the murdered on my hands. I'll lay the dismembered body parts of the unborn on yours.

No

I offered a better compromise, but fact is that you and I are men, and we shouldn't get to decide this.

 

[MissThundercat]

joe -- I usually take your posts with a grain of salt and treat them as someone presenting the respectable opposition to many of my opinions.

Upon reading the above post, I literally felt like I'd been punched in the gut. Your proposition would take away the rights of millions of women without their consent. You've told them, "I think of you as breeders, not as humans." Literally as an object. I cannot describe to you what that feels like other than as I did above.

I do not want to honestly believe you'd be so glib if we were having this debate face to face (at least I can only hope).

There isn't an agenda or response to your post that I can formulate.

We're not a fetus. Our lives don't matter.

 

[Drew S.]

We're not a fetus. Our lives don't matter.

All of us should be fighting for everyone’s rights. A lot of folks out there who want it both ways.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

All of us should be fighting for everyone’s rights. A lot of folks out there who want it both ways.

Yeah, including women right

 

[MissThundercat]

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Yeah, including women right

And us LGBT folks.

The only rights anyone deserves are rights for the unborn, and then for rich, white, cisgender male, heterosexual, Christian, conservative Republicans. That is, according to rich, white, cisgender male, heterosexual, Christian, conservative Republicans.

The only thing I got left is "white," and I believe in God, but not the Sky Terrorist Evangelicals believe in.

 

[Kepler]

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And us LGBT folks.

The only rights anyone deserves are rights for the unborn, and then for rich, white, cisgender male, heterosexual, Christian, conservative Republicans. That is, according to rich, white, cisgender male, heterosexual, Christian, conservative Republicans.

The only thing I got left is "white," and I believe in God, but not the Sky Terrorist Evangelicals believe in.

I've got white, cisgender male, and heterosexual but the GOP and their Fundy freaks can eat a big ol' bag of d-cks.

 

[joecct]

joe -- I usually take your posts with a grain of salt and treat them as someone presenting the respectable opposition to many of my opinions.

Upon reading the above post, I literally felt like I'd been punched in the gut. Your proposition would take away the rights of millions of women without their consent. You've told them, "I think of you as breeders, not as humans." Literally as an object. I cannot describe to you what that feels like other than as I did above.

I do not want to honestly believe you'd be so glib if we were having this debate face to face (at least I can only hope).

There isn't an agenda or response to your post that I can formulate.

Ewe - we have a fundamental difference of opinion and belief. I cannot countenance the willful murder of an unborn child - frequently by brutal means.

It's that simple.

 

[unofan]

Ewe - we have a fundamental difference of opinion and belief. I cannot countenance the willful murder of an unborn child - frequently by brutal means.

It's that simple.

But once the child is born, fark 'em. That's the position of your party.

 

[BassAle]

Ewe - we have a fundamental difference of opinion and belief. I cannot countenance the willful murder of an unborn child - frequently by brutal means.

It's that simple.

It’s cool if an actual person dies from lack of medical care though

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Ewe - we have a fundamental difference of opinion and belief. I cannot countenance the willful murder of an unborn child - frequently by brutal means.

It's that simple.

Million ways to make that number go down and you guys always pick the least effective way.

 

[MissThundercat]

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Scooby, those guys think telling a bunch of horny teenagers to not do it is always the answer.

Then they probably go to local Christian schools and pass out Promise or Purity rings.

 

[French Rage]

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Scooby, those guys think telling a bunch of horny teenagers to not do it is always the answer.

Then they probably go to local Christian schools and pass out Promise or Purity rings.

It hasn't worked for the last 10000 years of human existence, but I got a good feelin' about 2019!

 

[MissThundercat]

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But once the child is born, fark 'em. That's the position of your party.

And joe, I can't sit here and abide while your party constantly accuses my community of being bathroom rapists. I can't sit here and abide while your party loses their excrement when two men or two women kiss. I can't sit here and abide while constantly hearing "I respect you, just not your lifestyle." I can't sit here and abide while your party denies same-sex parents the right to adopt, because of "THE CHILDREN!" I can't sit here and abide while your party screams "RELIGIOUS LIBERTY!" while taking away MY liberty.

 

[joecct]

And joe, I can't sit here and abide while your party constantly accuses my community of being bathroom rapists. I can't sit here and abide while your party loses their excrement when two men or two women kiss. I can't sit here and abide while constantly hearing "I respect you, just not your lifestyle." I can't sit here and abide while your party denies same-sex parents the right to adopt, because of "THE CHILDREN!" I can't sit here and abide while your party screams "RELIGIOUS LIBERTY!" while taking away MY liberty.

You exaggerate, but it fits the narrative. *I* have no compulsion to interfere with any non abusive choice of partners.

And I cannot abide your party that wants to kill the unborn until they're born.

 

[leswp1]

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Regardless of what joe was trying to do it is one of the issues that keeps getting Republicans elected to office. And, what's sad about it is there are a million things that we could be doing (supported by Democrats) to reduce the number of abortions in this country and the Republicans support none of them.

I would feel a helluva lot better if they were willing to care for the result of the pregnancy or even fund the medical care for the woman- both of which the GOP has actively been trying to stymie.

Ewe - we have a fundamental difference of opinion and belief. I cannot countenance the willful murder of an unborn child - frequently by brutal means.

It's that simple.

Please respond to the post below. I cannot countenance the incongruity of what you are advocating. I would very much like to understand your thought process that allows you to do that. (not flaming. I really am curious how you reconcile these views with what I believe Jesus is calling us to do.)

OK, this makes no sense to me. If you believe in the sanctity of life than how is what you wrote congruent? If you are 'requiring' the woman carrying the child, to do so you are forcing her to give part of herself, without choice, to sustain the pregnancy. How is this different than requiring the father to donate an organ to sustain the life? Not flaming here. I can't figure out how you can simply say no to the father when you feel the woman should have no choice.

As to the 'trade' this also makes no sense. If you believe, as a Christian, that abortion is wrong I can get that. I might not agree with your absoluteness (I think prevention is a better way to decrease it happening- like access to free birth control and real education which actually decreases sexual activity) but I can respect it. I do not get the willingness to say it is OK to have no gun control because you want abortion to stop. I cannot see Jesus thinking it was OK to trade one set of lives for another. Reading it again, the Jesus I imagine would be horrified with what you wrote. If you are a Believer then why would you not have belief that advocating for both things would be the correct course?

This is something that really confounds me when people say their religion motivates them to advocate for certain policies. How do you cherry pick saying you can't sanction murder but then write you are OK if people get shot? Why is it OK to tell a woman what to do with her body but it is not OK or not on the radar screen to make it so folk can't kill people who are already born?