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0 Days Since Last Shooting: Guns, Guns, And More Guns

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SJHovey said:
Hey, I have another idea. I argue that once these 16-18 year olds graduate from college, for 95+% of them their activism days will be over. It'll be limited to political rants on Facebook and USCHO Cafe, and voting.

Kep posits something different, and you guys seem to agree.

So I ask this question, and anyone is free to answer. Of course I'll have no way of knowing whether your answer is true or not, but I'll take it at face value.

Assuming you have graduated from college and moved on to the working world, how many days in say the past five years have you skipped work and marched on a capitol or somewhere else as part of a political protest? I'm not talking about a walk to raise money for breast cancer. I mean a BLM protest or an anti-gun (or pro-gun for that matter) protest. Something like that.
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This is a good way of thinking about the sort of activism that makes the news: mass rallies, that sort of thing. I've missed maybe five days of work in my whole working life of 30+ years for political action.

But I'm talking about people going to the polls. And talking to their relatives. And doing their best to talk to coworkers and friends. I do that every day, and I am far from the only one.

Screaming into a keyboard may have zero real effect, that's true (although the prior argument that one hundred monkeys changed the last election is a contrary view). But face to face encounters, and respectful conversations, being backed up by good arguments and data, and above all learning how to talk to people. All that stuff does matter.
 
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SJHovey said:
It has nothing to do with "getting along", nor do I claim everyone is identical. It's that the entire group that you spend a lot of time around has a lot more in common than you might say 20 years later. Again, you're the same age, you're fighting the same peer pressures, you're taking the same classes, etc...
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I think you're arguing that it's easier to have bonding and mass experiences when you are young, and I agree with you. Those bonding experiences could be helping the blind kid with her homework if you're a liberal or dragging the gay kid to the bathroom and giving him a swirlie if you're a conservative, but it's easier to build the numbers either way for the reasons you cite.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Yet, under the spirit of the law there is no question he is guilty.
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To brandish a weapon is to show it in an angry or threatening manner, not simply showing the weapon. And if the barrel was never in any individual's direction, then it certainly was never at anyone. That means you're likely going to lose on two clauses within the law.

Make no mistake, what the man did was stupid. It's even stupider to take him to court only to have him smack you down legally.
 
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Kepler said:
This is a good way of thinking about the sort of activism that makes the news: mass rallies, that sort of thing. I've missed maybe five days of work in my whole working life of 30+ years for political action.

But I'm talking about people going to the polls. And talking to their relatives. And doing their best to talk to coworkers and friends. I do that every day, and I am far from the only one.

Screaming into a keyboard may have zero real effect, that's true (although the prior argument that one hundred monkeys changed the last election is a contrary view). But face to face encounters, and respectful conversations, being backed up by good arguments and data, and above all learning how to talk to people. All that stuff does matter.
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I agree with this. If those teenagers take the same approach as you, they might possibly change the country.

I do feel that sometimes it's the "squeaky wheel" approach with politics where actually getting out and marching up to the Congressman's door has more effect than a thousand facebook posts, but if they become lobbyists in the workplace and their homes and neighborhoods, you'll turn out to be right.
 
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SJHovey said:
I agree with this. If those teenagers take the same approach as you, they might possibly change the country.

I do feel that sometimes it's the "squeaky wheel" approach with politics where actually getting out and marching up to the Congressman's door has more effect than a thousand facebook posts, but if they become lobbyists in the workplace and their homes and neighborhoods, you'll turn out to be right.
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I think people in the streets also changes things. It's indirect, but if enough people are protesting politicians start to feel that incredible coke rush of the IRRESISTIBLE URGE TO PANDER. And that gets stuff done.

What really is the response of the legislator to the will of the people other than "pandering"?

Personally I love it that the kids are out there shouting and marching around. Anything that puts nerdy kids into a position of greater likelihood of getting laid is cool by me. If it becomes cool and the pretty girl is going down on the Junior United Nations kid instead of the Sportsball Rapist, then everybody wins except the Sportsball Rapist, and he has a cushy future as a Republican lobbyist or a pastor anyway.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I don't know but what this guy did is ****ing stupid. And, as we hear over and over again, just recently in Minnesota these people leave the guns out, unlocked up, loaded, and with kids around.

But, yeah, us GUN CONTROL FOLKS are the problem.
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I agree. However, the two points you bring up both contribute to the problem. The bold/underlined is obviously, without question, no doubt, the biggest problem with guns. Thos folks make me sick.

The Banz The Gunz people are riling the stupid people up. No bueno.
 
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Brenthoven said:
The Banz The Gunz people are riling the stupid people up. No bueno.
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"I think we can all agree that Dr. King riled up the white supremacists so he bears a certain amount of guilt for his death..."
 
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Kepler said:
"I think we can all agree that Dr. King riled up the white supremacists so he bears a certain amount of guilt for his death..."
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That is apples and oranges and you know it.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I can't effing believe I'm going to say this, because I don't watch the show, but I drink and I know things. ;) :p
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Well done. :)

You should watch. It's total trash and an absolute joy.
 
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Kepler said:
Fair nuff. By all that's holy I should have loved NUMB3RS. I just don't give sufficient sh-t about cops n' robbers to enjoy it.
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HBO ran a GOT marathon prior to the most recent season which iirc is now several months back. I watched EP 1 & 2 of (S5?) and I wanted to tear out my eyeballs and stick hot pokers into my ears. I honestly thought I was watching a bad SNL parody.
 
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I'm not sure I would ever recommend jumping into a serial like GOT and expect to understand or even appreciate it. I suppose a show should be able to stand on its own, but the storylines are so complex it would be like jumping into The Wire in the middle of S3 and trying to understand the story. You wouldn't know the backstories, you wouldn't have had the character development, you don't know what's going onso you might get frustrated and just quit.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I'm not sure I would ever recommend jumping into a serial like GOT and expect to understand or even appreciate it. I suppose a show should be able to stand on its own, but the storylines are so complex it would be like jumping into The Wire in the middle of S3 and trying to understand the story. You wouldn't know the backstories, you wouldn't have had the character development, you don't know what's going onso you might get frustrated and just quit.
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In a serial show, I'd disagree that individual shows should stand on their own. Some will, perhaps even most, but that shouldn't inherently be a requirement. In order to create episodes that stand alone, the overall narrative takes a backseat to the single episode's specific events. The narrative may have created the setup for a specific episode, and that episode needs to drive forward the narrative, but you have episode 9 from seasons 1-6 as more or less singular events. They need to happen for the narrative, but they may each be the only episodes where you can have an interloping viewer just come in and enjoy the slaughter.
 
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I meant stand on their own in terms of quality. But I otherwise completely agree with your post.
 
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It wasn't the story that confounded me - it was just so freaking over-done the acting is sub-par and I thought the story telling was lazy from what I gathered in the little time I watched.
 
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