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0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

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I believe that's the "Martyrs of Compiègne", to you, Sir.

In fact, a couple of your favorite conservative Catholic websites seem to agree.

http://catholicapologetics.info/library/onlinelibrary/martyrs.htm

https://catholicexchange.com/the-blessed-martyrs-of-compiegne

Not to mention your much-maligned USCCB:

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...pload/Martyrs-of-Compiegne-Fortnight-2016.pdf

But nevermind this apostate chastising you.

They were Carmelites.
 
Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Armed guards in church/temple? Sure, why not. /sarc

I wonder how our Fourth Reich would feel about armed people in mosques though...

I know for a fact that happens in the MSP archdiocese parishes now, required for Xmas and Easter Mass.
 
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We shouldn't be talking armed guards. This is only an issue because we have conceal and carry.

No idea why everyone is making it so hard on society by moving our own goal posts back and accepting conceal is a tragedy that we must live with.
 
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one thing to note about the magazine and firing rate limits proposal...

Yes, there are thousands of guns out there that will violate this proposal. However, it seems that most mass shootings- the shooter is getting their weapons pretty close to their shooting date. So IF the law was in place tomorrow, most mass shootings from tomorrow out would be less severe due to the less rounds getting fired off in the time frame.

One can also put restrictions on private sales of these weapons, too- like the proposal to extend background checks to all sales.

This proposal lets people keep their (worshiped) guns. It just limits the ability of a weapon back to abilities quite a while ago. Hunting is not changed, target shooting is not changed, etc. The only "impact" would be the adrenaline rush from emptying your magazine of 30 rounds in 10 seconds. Which seems to be a good thing to compromise for.
 
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This proposal lets people keep their (worshiped) guns. It just limits the ability of a weapon back to abilities quite a while ago. Hunting is not changed, target shooting is not changed, etc. The only "impact" would be the adrenaline rush from emptying your magazine of 30 rounds in 10 seconds. Which seems to be a good thing to compromise for.

What's wrong with you people?

In the last 20 years, gun advocates have blanketed the country with guns and soo moved the goalposts that we're asking for crumbs hoping for an inconsequential 'compromise'. In the history of the country, no societal improvement ever magically happened with such an approach.

Are you really happy with what's happened with gun violence since we rolled out conceal and carry nationwide?
 
We shouldn't be talking armed guards. This is only an issue because we have conceal and carry.

No idea why everyone is making it so hard on society by moving our own goal posts back and accepting conceal is a tragedy that we must live with.

I don’t like concealed carry. It seems like it’s mostly sociopaths that feel the need to be armed to buy a sandwich.

Permit-less CC is awful (what we have now in Maine)
 
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What's wrong with you people?

In the last 20 years, gun advocates have blanketed the country with guns and soo moved the goalposts that we're asking for crumbs hoping for an inconsequential 'compromise'. In the history of the country, no societal improvement ever magically happened with such an approach.

Are you really happy with what's happened with gun violence since we rolled out conceal and carry nationwide?

No, but it will very much demonstrate what the entire gun "thing" is about. If they really hate that idea, then it's all about the gun industry money, which is what I suspect it is.

Still, even with the blanketing of guns, look at the patterns, just reducing how fast and how many rounds can be gotten off for new guns will have an impact. If they can't handle that, then people should honestly be asking if we really have a need for a militia- which is the ENTIRE reason the 2nd amendment even exists. And it's been abused so badly that that the US, as a society, has pretty clearly demonstrated that it's not able to handle that responsibility. Relative to the rest of the world, far, far, far more people are dying. And in most countries, guns are not actually banned, but they are closely controlled.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The doctor who operated on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TreeofLife?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TreeofLife</a> shooter is a Jew. The shooter shouted anti-Semitic slurs at him even as he tended his wounds. The doctor said that he was proud to offer medical care to a human who was wounded. You want to know what it means to be a Jew? Here's your answer.</p>— Rabbi Latz (@RavMABAY) <a href="https://twitter.com/RavMABAY/status/1057073839467831296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The doctor who operated on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TreeofLife?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TreeofLife</a> shooter is a Jew. The shooter shouted anti-Semitic slurs at him even as he tended his wounds. The doctor said that he was proud to offer medical care to a human who was wounded. You want to know what it means to be a Jew? Here's your answer.</p>— Rabbi Latz (@RavMABAY) <a href="https://twitter.com/RavMABAY/status/1057073839467831296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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The Doctor is my kind of guy.
 
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McCain's widow now helping his new Orange God...
 
I don’t like concealed carry. It seems like it’s mostly sociopaths that feel the need to be armed to buy a sandwich.

Permit-less CC is awful (what we have now in Maine)

I actually agree with you. People shouldn’t be encouraged to carry guns with them. It’s amazing that nothing has really happened since the laws were changed in Maine.
 
Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The doctor who operated on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TreeofLife?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TreeofLife</a> shooter is a Jew. The shooter shouted anti-Semitic slurs at him even as he tended his wounds. The doctor said that he was proud to offer medical care to a human who was wounded. You want to know what it means to be a Jew? Here's your answer.</p>— Rabbi Latz (@RavMABAY) <a href="https://twitter.com/RavMABAY/status/1057073839467831296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Some people are just human scum, and it's not the Jews.
 
Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

You know what? If Soros really is leading a conspiracy to "fundamentally change" the United States, I don't care as long as it makes Insane LaPierre and the current incarnation of the NRA go away.
 
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No, but it will very much demonstrate what the entire gun "thing" is about. If they really hate that idea, then it's all about the gun industry money, which is what I suspect it is.

Still, even with the blanketing of guns, look at the patterns, just reducing how fast and how many rounds can be gotten off for new guns will have an impact. If they can't handle that, then people should honestly be asking if we really have a need for a militia- which is the ENTIRE reason the 2nd amendment even exists. And it's been abused so badly that that the US, as a society, has pretty clearly demonstrated that it's not able to handle that responsibility. Relative to the rest of the world, far, far, far more people are dying. And in most countries, guns are not actually banned, but they are closely controlled.

I agree. You take what you can get.

But we as a society have allowed them to be accepted as a solution to problems. We can only change that by mandating that outside of homes guns are to be banned from where ever the people are. Period.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Graham to introduce legislation ending birthright citizenship <a href="https://t.co/5KcasrOtTZ">https://t.co/5KcasrOtTZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/YhmkyWgpVo">pic.twitter.com/YhmkyWgpVo</a></p>— The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1057317222845202433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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McCain's widow now helping his new Orange God...

TITLE X—CITIZENSHIP 4 SEC. 1001. BASIS OF CITIZENSHIP CLARIFIED. In the exercise of its powers under section of the Fourteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of section 1 of such Article and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth.

Introduced by Sen. Harry Reid back in 1993.
 
Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

one thing to note about the magazine and firing rate limits proposal...

Yes, there are thousands of guns out there that will violate this proposal. However, it seems that most mass shootings- the shooter is getting their weapons pretty close to their shooting date. So IF the law was in place tomorrow, most mass shootings from tomorrow out would be less severe due to the less rounds getting fired off in the time frame.

One can also put restrictions on private sales of these weapons, too- like the proposal to extend background checks to all sales.

This proposal lets people keep their (worshiped) guns. It just limits the ability of a weapon back to abilities quite a while ago. Hunting is not changed, target shooting is not changed, etc. The only "impact" would be the adrenaline rush from emptying your magazine of 30 rounds in 10 seconds. Which seems to be a good thing to compromise for.

I am ALL for this. This is what it should have been in the first place.

I also would be for the oft-mentioned restriction on here, that if you are convicted of a violent crime (even down to a simple assault), you don't get to own a gun. Ever.
 
Introduced by Sen. Harry Reid back in 1993.

Good for him. Still isn't constitutional.

Pulling up 25 year old legislation that never passed doesn't change the present.

Edit: Why am I not surprised you left out the postscript, too. Probably because you heard it on Fox and didn't bother getting context.

Thirteen years later in 2006, Reid offered an apology on the Senate floor, saying introducing such a law was the “low point” of his long career in government.
“I want to relate to the Senate that the biggest mistake I ever made, the largest error I ever made was 15 or 18 years ago,” said Reid, according to a transcript of the senator's speech his office provided to The Washington Post in 2010. “That is a low point of my legislative career, the low point of my governmental career. That is why I believe we need comprehensive immigration reform today.”
Reid added that he was later “confronted” by his wife over his move to curb birthright citizenship.
"She, in effect, said: ‘I can't believe that you have done it,’" Reid said. "But I had done it."
 
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Here's an off-the-wall idea, don't know how feasible it would be:

As for universal background checks, I think they should be required for ANY gun sale. Here's the amendment: any gun sale has to have a 3rd party as a sort of insurance policy to make sure the background check is legit. Say I wanted to sell a gun, a buyer emerges. The local gun dealer checks both of us out, to make sure our background checks are legitimate, and takes, say, a 5% cut of the sale.

Yes, there would be ways around that (whaddya know, the local gun dealer is my best friend and might bend the approval a little), there are always ways around the rules, but would this be feasible enough to be put in place?
 
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