World Soccer XXXI: Golden Generation?

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Won't defenses just adjust?

It will take a little time, but yes.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Won't defenses just adjust?

They will. They always do.

What do they do?

They don’t use any technology beyond the cameras and any relevant field markings or cuts. If they can’t prove conclusively one way or another by just looking at it then the call on the field stands. No drawing lines, no funky animations showing a toe ahead.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

I think it will for a few months then teams will adjust and scoring will crater yet again.

Just like the NHL and the Trapezoid Rule in 2006.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Just like the NHL and the Trapezoid Rule in 2006.

Funny you mention the trapezoid rule because soccer might need something like that. With the “daylight” rule it likely increases the necessity of having your goalkeeper be a “sweeper keeper” to come out and clear balls that get behind the defensive line.

Personal opinion, though somewhat educated given my experience with as a referee, but the advent of mobile, more involved goalkeepers has done more to inhibit scoring than anything else.

 

[Kepler]

Funny you mention the trapezoid rule because soccer might need something like that. With the “daylight” rule it likely increases the necessity of having your goalkeeper be a “sweeper keeper” to come out and clear balls that get behind the defensive line.

Personal opinion, though somewhat educated given my experience with as a referee, but the advent of mobile, more involved goalkeepers has done more to inhibit scoring than anything else.

This is a great response. I think I can add 2 and 2 but would you are to elaborate?

 

[Jimjamesak]

This is a great response. I think I can add 2 and 2 but would you are to elaborate?

Soccer seems, at least in my eyes, to be moving more and more into their own "trap" era. Some form of "pressing", high pressure defense, is common by nearly every team and that's compressing the amount of space to operate in the midfield and the main form of trying to beat that, by playing long over the backline, is being made increasingly ineffective by more mobile and involved sweeper keepers. There's other ways to beat a press but it largely requires long, precise passing in tight spaces and that's a rare trait.

Again, this is a personal opinion, but I think the game needs a forced evolution from it's current "press versus the build out of the back" meta. Pressing isn't a terrible thing but the "build out of the back" style is a scourge in my mind.

 

[Kepler]

Soccer seems, at least in my eyes, to be moving more and more into their own "trap" era. Some form of "pressing", high pressure defense, is common by nearly every team and that's compressing the amount of space to operate in the midfield and the main form of trying to beat that, by playing long over the backline, is being made increasingly ineffective by more mobile and involved sweeper keepers. There's other ways to beat a press but it largely requires long, precise passing in tight spaces and that's a rare trait.

Again, this is a personal opinion, but I think the game needs a forced evolution from it's current "press versus the build out of the back" meta. Pressing isn't a terrible thing but the "build out of the back" style is a scourge in my mind.

You're way past me. But I YouTube good.

 

[French Rage]

They are changing the offside rule to where you have to be fully beyond the last opponent, aka the “daylight” rule (ie there has to be daylight between the players), at some point, next year I believe.

To be fair, the whole drawing lines, semi-automated offside stuff has always been stupid and certainly not “clear and obvious”. I’m always happy MLS and PRO don’t do that stuff.

I like that. Mind you I'm at best a casual soccer fan. I get wanting to prevent cherry-picking, but also you should be clearly beyond the defenseman. This any-bit-of-the-body past doesn't really seem "offside", plus it seems to me it allows the defenses to play too many cutesy games by making the offender juuuuuust barely offside. Make it so the offside guy clearly put himself in that position, and was not victim to a defenseman shifting one picometer.

 

[Jimjamesak]

You're way past me. But I YouTube good.

I tried. *shrug*

 

[Jimjamesak]

I like that. Mind you I'm at best a casual soccer fan. I get wanting to prevent cherry-picking, but also you should be clearly beyond the defenseman. This any-bit-of-the-body past doesn't really seem "offside", plus it seems to me it allows the defenses to play too many cutesy games by making the offender juuuuuust barely offside. Make it so the offside guy clearly put himself in that position, and was not victim to a defenseman shifting one picometer.

To be fair, it used to be a lot of worse, to the point that anyone in an offside postion even making a slight movement towards the ball was considered "involved in the play" and therefore offside.

Fun fact: The idea of player in an offside position needing to be "actively involved in the play" to be offside is largely an American contribution.