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World Soccer XXXI: Golden Generation?

FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Just like the NHL and the Trapezoid Rule in 2006.
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Funny you mention the trapezoid rule because soccer might need something like that. With the “daylight” rule it likely increases the necessity of having your goalkeeper be a “sweeper keeper” to come out and clear balls that get behind the defensive line.

Personal opinion, though somewhat educated given my experience with as a referee, but the advent of mobile, more involved goalkeepers has done more to inhibit scoring than anything else.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Funny you mention the trapezoid rule because soccer might need something like that. With the “daylight” rule it likely increases the necessity of having your goalkeeper be a “sweeper keeper” to come out and clear balls that get behind the defensive line.

Personal opinion, though somewhat educated given my experience with as a referee, but the advent of mobile, more involved goalkeepers has done more to inhibit scoring than anything else.
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This is a great response. I think I can add 2 and 2 but would you are to elaborate?
 
Kepler said:
This is a great response. I think I can add 2 and 2 but would you are to elaborate?
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Soccer seems, at least in my eyes, to be moving more and more into their own "trap" era. Some form of "pressing", high pressure defense, is common by nearly every team and that's compressing the amount of space to operate in the midfield and the main form of trying to beat that, by playing long over the backline, is being made increasingly ineffective by more mobile and involved sweeper keepers. There's other ways to beat a press but it largely requires long, precise passing in tight spaces and that's a rare trait.

Again, this is a personal opinion, but I think the game needs a forced evolution from it's current "press versus the build out of the back" meta. Pressing isn't a terrible thing but the "build out of the back" style is a scourge in my mind.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Soccer seems, at least in my eyes, to be moving more and more into their own "trap" era. Some form of "pressing", high pressure defense, is common by nearly every team and that's compressing the amount of space to operate in the midfield and the main form of trying to beat that, by playing long over the backline, is being made increasingly ineffective by more mobile and involved sweeper keepers. There's other ways to beat a press but it largely requires long, precise passing in tight spaces and that's a rare trait.

Again, this is a personal opinion, but I think the game needs a forced evolution from it's current "press versus the build out of the back" meta. Pressing isn't a terrible thing but the "build out of the back" style is a scourge in my mind.
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You're way past me. But I YouTube good.
 
Jimjamesak said:
They are changing the offside rule to where you have to be fully beyond the last opponent, aka the “daylight” rule (ie there has to be daylight between the players), at some point, next year I believe.

To be fair, the whole drawing lines, semi-automated offside stuff has always been stupid and certainly not “clear and obvious”. I’m always happy MLS and PRO don’t do that stuff.
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I like that. Mind you I'm at best a casual soccer fan. I get wanting to prevent cherry-picking, but also you should be clearly beyond the defenseman. This any-bit-of-the-body past doesn't really seem "offside", plus it seems to me it allows the defenses to play too many cutesy games by making the offender juuuuuust barely offside. Make it so the offside guy clearly put himself in that position, and was not victim to a defenseman shifting one picometer.
 
French Rage said:
I like that. Mind you I'm at best a casual soccer fan. I get wanting to prevent cherry-picking, but also you should be clearly beyond the defenseman. This any-bit-of-the-body past doesn't really seem "offside", plus it seems to me it allows the defenses to play too many cutesy games by making the offender juuuuuust barely offside. Make it so the offside guy clearly put himself in that position, and was not victim to a defenseman shifting one picometer.
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To be fair, it used to be a lot of worse, to the point that anyone in an offside postion even making a slight movement towards the ball was considered "involved in the play" and therefore offside.

Fun fact: The idea of player in an offside position needing to be "actively involved in the play" to be offside is largely an American contribution.
 
cF[Authentic] said:
That also will create much more space in the middle of the field as defenses are stretched and become more fractioned based on a single, or double run.
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Likely yes. Though I wonder if teams will actually be able use that space effectively, especially against a typical high press.
 
Checking in on the Women’s World Cup, the USWNT will have their qualifying match in November.

And yes that is not a typo, the USWNT has one match against El Salvador to qualify. CONCACAF is once again using the CONCACAF W Championship (the Women’s Gold Cup) for qualification. The four quarterfinal winners qualify for the World Cup and the USWNT and Canada were automatically advanced to the quarterfinals. Oh, and the CONCACAF W Championship is being held in Texas so it’s a home game as well.

To be fair to the USWNT this isn’t their fault, it’s more the fault of CONCACAF being cheap and US Soccer likely pushing for a reduced qualification so they can schedule more financially lucrative friendly matches. And in fairness, every Confederation outside of UEFA uses the Confederation Championship as their Women’s World Cup qualification for the exact same reasons. In a just world FIFA would ban this practice and force qualification structures equal to the men’s side, but we don’t live in a just world.
 
I definitely noticed the increased number of "sweeper keepers" in this WC, so that makes sense. It's sort of like pre-2005 when Brodeur, Hasek, and Turco would take almost any opportunity to skate out behind the blueline, or into the corners to clear pucks, since they were among the first wave of goalies to have the skating skills to basically play as a third defenseman back there.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I definitely noticed the increased number of "sweeper keepers" in this WC, so that makes sense. It's sort of like pre-2005 when Brodeur, Hasek, and Turco would take almost any opportunity to skate out behind the blueline, or into the corners to clear pucks, since they were among the first wave of goalies to have the skating skills to basically play as a third defenseman back there.
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Yeah, very similar kind of thing.
 
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